[Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument

Wed Mar 11 17:24:29 EDT 2015

Thanks Dale Lol!  :)))
You and Igor are making me feel all warm and fuzzy today:)))

Anyway, have a good trip tomorrow, enjoy the show, still eating my guts
out!!!
Don
On Wednesday, March 11, 2015, Dale Fredericks <dalhel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Don,
> You have earned your stripes just by being a loyal fan of Heep. No need
> for a "promotion" if you are posting what is in your heart. Like I said
> before, this is the most interesting this list has been in a long time.
> Each person has a little to offer, whether it is just your opinion, or in
> Igor's case, cold hard facts !! LOL !!
> Keep the posts coming !
>
> Dale :-)>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 11, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Stan From Home <evens78 at chartermi.net
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Lol, all Heepsters are good Heepsters.
> >
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >> On Mar 11, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you Igor,
> >> That's means a lot coming from you.
> >> Maybe in a few more years I might earn my stripes for a promotion on the
> >> list!!:))))
> >> Don
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, March 11, 2015, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Don,
> >>> Without trying to be polite, I must admit that was amazing, it's been
> so
> >>> long that I've last read such an intelligent and profound posting.
> Don't
> >>> you be that 'umble, you are a wise man indeed!!!!
> >>> Cheers, Igor
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Вторник, 10 марта 2015, 23:18 -07:00 от Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>
> >>> <javascript:;>>:
> >>>> Hi Scott,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not in the hierarchy of the wise men and women on the Heep list
> but, I
> >>>> think that David was a perfectionist, he set the bar very high for
> himself
> >>>> and his band at the time, being # 2 was just not acceptable for him.
> >>>> it really bothered him when Heeps competitors made it to  the A list.
> >>>>
> >>>> It sure didn't help when Heep were always put down by the music
> industry .
> >>>> He just could not accept any rejection or critisicm.
> >>>> Every human is wired differently to be able to handle this.
> >>>> I believe this was the catylist for his feelings of anger, moods
> swings
> >>> and
> >>>> even depression.
> >>>> Adding solice in the bottle just added fuel to the fire that was
> burning
> >>>> inside of him.
> >>>> What happens next is many things, I'm sure everyone has their own
> list.
> >>>> Byron by nature is a pop/ rock artist, he sang The fantasy songs with
> no
> >>>> complaint when Heep was riding high but, at the end he did start
> >>>> questioning the direction of the music and unfortunately , the outcome
> >>>> ended up with his pursuit of pop/ rock solo albums,
> >>>> His own style and love.
> >>>> Amazing singer, amazing range. Truly was a vocal instrument in the
> band.
> >>>> Hensley might have had the turkey baking, the rest of the guys set the
> >>>> dinner table but, Byron poured the wine and lit the candles to set the
> >>>> ambience . :))))
> >>>> I don't know, maybe Im wrong?
> >>>>
> >>>> Don
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Scott Manion < scottmanion at earthlink.net
> <javascript:;>
> >>>> <javascript:;> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Igor,
> >>>>> I answered your question when I said " We all love David's
> contributions
> >>>>> and there will never be another"
> >>>>> So I ask you how do you reconcile the fact that he quit?  A fact
> which
> >>>>> David himself freely reveals over and over in interviews.  I've seen
> him
> >>>>> say this and so have you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In your response below you don't answer to the reality of what
> happened
> >>>>> with David that ultimately gets you to the point of endlessly
> comparing
> >>> him
> >>>>> to every other lead singer in the first place.  He quit the band.
> >>>>> I understand completely your point of view that David's voice and
> >>>>> everything else about him is 'magical' and does not compare to ANYONE
> >>> else
> >>>>> who replaced him...But no one NEEDED to replace him UNTIL HE QUIT.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree his voice has incredible "magical charms' in Heep but then
> >>> after 6
> >>>>> years he quit Uriah Heep!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Until you reveal your point of view on why he QUIT it's hard to
> >>> understand
> >>>>> your endless comparisons to singers who replaced David after he quit
> the
> >>>>> band.
> >>>>> While you reiterate routinely that 'no one is better than David'
> ...OK,
> >>> we
> >>>>> all understand that... and then what...he quit the band.
> >>>>> Mick Box needed a new lead singer after the ONLY OTHER FOUNDING
> MEMBER
> >>> OF
> >>>>> Uriah Heep QUIT!
> >>>>> This list is a group of purists and extreme fans of Heep.  They all
> know
> >>>>> the history and are among the most knowledgeable and devoted fans of
> the
> >>>>> band around the world.
> >>>>> As a dedicated list member and equally devoted Heep Fan, what is your
> >>>>> opinion on this specific topic:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why do you think David Byron QUIT Uriah Heep?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for sharing your perspective with the list on this specific
> >>> topic.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
> <javascript:;>
> >>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:06 PM
> >>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Scott,
> >>>>> In order to get a proper answer to your last question, you should ask
> >>>>> yourself a few more questions. :) How many songs and albums did David
> >>> Byron
> >>>>> record during his relatively short time with Heep? Was there even a
> >>> single
> >>>>> one which isn't classic to a true Heep lover? How unique his singing
> >>> manner
> >>>>> was, how many people were drawn to Heep's camp only because of his
> >>> voice's
> >>>>> magical charms? If you get to know the right answers and afterwards
> have
> >>>>> them compared to the similar ones regarding Bernie (and some others)
> and
> >>>>> his era, perhaps then you will stop wondering. :))))))))))))) Cheers,
> >>> Igor
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Понедельник, 09 марта 2015, 18:56 -05:00 от "Scott Manion" <
> >>>>> scottmanion at earthlink.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>:
> >>>>>> CLASSIC!
> >>>>>> Bob, wonderfully done!  Laughing out loud on that one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I stand by two things from my post:
> >>>>>> Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades, getting new
> players
> >>>>>> to keep the team [BAND] together.
> >>>>>> And, secondly, Bernie is in the roll of Lead Singer for Uriah
> Heep...So
> >>>>>> unless he is booted out of the band, he is the man to sing the
> songs!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the case of David, I believe HIS version of the story.  He quit
> >>>>>> Uriah Heep.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We all love his contributions and there will never be another but...
> >>>>>> What if he believed as much as all of us?
> >>>>>> What if he cared as deeply about Uriah Heep as we all do and
> continued
> >>>>>> on with the band?
> >>>>>> Can you imagine the long flowing grey hair of David and Mick on the
> >>>>>> same stage together now?  We'd all be moved to tears by most of the
> >>> songs!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But he quit.  After 6 years he lost the faith in the band, it's
> >>>>>> direction and it's future.
> >>>>>> When I see the passion and 'ownership' of the Uriah Heep material by
> >>>>>> Bernie, a man who has committed his musical career to representing
> >>>>>> Uriah Heep around the world, I often wonder why this list spends so
> >>>>>> much time celebrating the Byron  'half decade' over the last
> >>>>> (soon-to-be)  40 years without him.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let the beat down begin!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
> <javascript:;>
> >>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> >>>>>> Of Bob Winward
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:34 AM
> >>>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1976 Yankees were good, but swept by the Cinncinatti Reds in the
> World
> >>>>>> Series.  Horrible time, I was sick for 2 days with the flu, in
> college
> >>>>>> and not far from Cinncinatti.  I think if you want to pick some
> great
> >>>>>> Yankee Teams, maybe 1978, 1996 and the legendary 1927 team.  1927
> was
> >>>>>> the Box, Hensley, Thain, Byron lineup for the Yankees, Ruth and
> Gehrig.
> >>>>>> Gehrig played bass, first base that is!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/8/15 9:24 PM, "Scott Manion" <  scottmanion at earthlink.net
> <javascript:;>
> >>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>> <javascript:;> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I met a guy at the Milwaukee show and his first words to me were
> "It's
> >>>>>> just
> >>>>>>> not the same without Byron."  I stifled a laugh.
> >>>>>> I asked him if he knew when
> >>>>>>> Byron left the band.  He wasn't sure.
> >>>>>> I told him 1976...and next year will
> >>>>>>> mark the 40th anniversary of David Byron NOT being in Uriah Heep.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> These
> >>>>>>> arguments about the olden days are as relevant as watching old
> >>>>>>> re-runs of your favorite sports team back in the 70's and endlessly
> >>>>>>> arguing that nobody will ever be better than the 1976 New York
> >>>>>>> Yankees!  (I don't even know if they were good that year but you
> can
> >>>>>>> get the idea.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I agree with Doug.  Teams get
> >>>>>>> new players.  And though I might 'long to be in the stadium' when
> >>>>>>> Babe Ruth (American Baseball Icon from the 30's) hits one out of
> the
> >>>>>>> park, I can still enjoy baseball now without feeling that it's an
> >>>>>>> injustice that others have filled Babe's shoes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades,
> >>>>>>> getting new players to keep the team together.
> >>>>>> Every year this band continues
> >>>>>>> to tour the world and put out music is a cause for celebration.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The only
> >>>>>>> thing missing from a lot of these posts is the phrase  "Back in my
> >>>>>> day...."
> >>>>>> I'm certain we all have the ability to accept and tolerate change!
> >>>>>>> Especially with a band that has been around for 45 years.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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