[Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument

Dale Fredericks dalhel at sbcglobal.net
Wed Mar 11 15:18:46 EDT 2015 

Don,
You have earned your stripes just by being a loyal fan of Heep. No need for a "promotion" if you are posting what is in your heart. Like I said before, this is the most interesting this list has been in a long time. Each person has a little to offer, whether it is just your opinion, or in Igor's case, cold hard facts !! LOL !!
Keep the posts coming !

Dale :-)>

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> On Mar 11, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Stan From Home <evens78 at chartermi.net> wrote:
> 
> Lol, all Heepsters are good Heepsters.
> 
> 
> Stan
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Igor,
>> That's means a lot coming from you.
>> Maybe in a few more years I might earn my stripes for a promotion on the
>> list!!:))))
>> Don
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 11, 2015, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Don,
>>> Without trying to be polite, I must admit that was amazing, it's been so
>>> long that I've last read such an intelligent and profound posting. Don't
>>> you be that 'umble, you are a wise man indeed!!!!
>>> Cheers, Igor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Вторник, 10 марта 2015, 23:18 -07:00 от Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:;>>:
>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not in the hierarchy of the wise men and women on the Heep list but, I
>>>> think that David was a perfectionist, he set the bar very high for himself
>>>> and his band at the time, being # 2 was just not acceptable for him.
>>>> it really bothered him when Heeps competitors made it to  the A list.
>>>> 
>>>> It sure didn't help when Heep were always put down by the music industry .
>>>> He just could not accept any rejection or critisicm.
>>>> Every human is wired differently to be able to handle this.
>>>> I believe this was the catylist for his feelings of anger, moods swings
>>> and
>>>> even depression.
>>>> Adding solice in the bottle just added fuel to the fire that was burning
>>>> inside of him.
>>>> What happens next is many things, I'm sure everyone has their own list.
>>>> Byron by nature is a pop/ rock artist, he sang The fantasy songs with no
>>>> complaint when Heep was riding high but, at the end he did start
>>>> questioning the direction of the music and unfortunately , the outcome
>>>> ended up with his pursuit of pop/ rock solo albums,
>>>> His own style and love.
>>>> Amazing singer, amazing range. Truly was a vocal instrument in the band.
>>>> Hensley might have had the turkey baking, the rest of the guys set the
>>>> dinner table but, Byron poured the wine and lit the candles to set the
>>>> ambience . :))))
>>>> I don't know, maybe Im wrong?
>>>> 
>>>> Don
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Scott Manion < scottmanion at earthlink.net
>>>> <javascript:;> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Igor,
>>>>> I answered your question when I said " We all love David's contributions
>>>>> and there will never be another"
>>>>> So I ask you how do you reconcile the fact that he quit?  A fact which
>>>>> David himself freely reveals over and over in interviews.  I've seen him
>>>>> say this and so have you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In your response below you don't answer to the reality of what happened
>>>>> with David that ultimately gets you to the point of endlessly comparing
>>> him
>>>>> to every other lead singer in the first place.  He quit the band.
>>>>> I understand completely your point of view that David's voice and
>>>>> everything else about him is 'magical' and does not compare to ANYONE
>>> else
>>>>> who replaced him...But no one NEEDED to replace him UNTIL HE QUIT.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree his voice has incredible "magical charms' in Heep but then
>>> after 6
>>>>> years he quit Uriah Heep!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Until you reveal your point of view on why he QUIT it's hard to
>>> understand
>>>>> your endless comparisons to singers who replaced David after he quit the
>>>>> band.
>>>>> While you reiterate routinely that 'no one is better than David' ...OK,
>>> we
>>>>> all understand that... and then what...he quit the band.
>>>>> Mick Box needed a new lead singer after the ONLY OTHER FOUNDING MEMBER
>>> OF
>>>>> Uriah Heep QUIT!
>>>>> This list is a group of purists and extreme fans of Heep.  They all know
>>>>> the history and are among the most knowledgeable and devoted fans of the
>>>>> band around the world.
>>>>> As a dedicated list member and equally devoted Heep Fan, what is your
>>>>> opinion on this specific topic:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why do you think David Byron QUIT Uriah Heep?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for sharing your perspective with the list on this specific
>>> topic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:06 PM
>>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> In order to get a proper answer to your last question, you should ask
>>>>> yourself a few more questions. :) How many songs and albums did David
>>> Byron
>>>>> record during his relatively short time with Heep? Was there even a
>>> single
>>>>> one which isn't classic to a true Heep lover? How unique his singing
>>> manner
>>>>> was, how many people were drawn to Heep's camp only because of his
>>> voice's
>>>>> magical charms? If you get to know the right answers and afterwards have
>>>>> them compared to the similar ones regarding Bernie (and some others) and
>>>>> his era, perhaps then you will stop wondering. :))))))))))))) Cheers,
>>> Igor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Понедельник, 09 марта 2015, 18:56 -05:00 от "Scott Manion" <
>>>>> scottmanion at earthlink.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>:
>>>>>> CLASSIC!
>>>>>> Bob, wonderfully done!  Laughing out loud on that one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I stand by two things from my post:
>>>>>> Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades, getting new players
>>>>>> to keep the team [BAND] together.
>>>>>> And, secondly, Bernie is in the roll of Lead Singer for Uriah Heep...So
>>>>>> unless he is booted out of the band, he is the man to sing the songs!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In the case of David, I believe HIS version of the story.  He quit
>>>>>> Uriah Heep.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We all love his contributions and there will never be another but...
>>>>>> What if he believed as much as all of us?
>>>>>> What if he cared as deeply about Uriah Heep as we all do and continued
>>>>>> on with the band?
>>>>>> Can you imagine the long flowing grey hair of David and Mick on the
>>>>>> same stage together now?  We'd all be moved to tears by most of the
>>> songs!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But he quit.  After 6 years he lost the faith in the band, it's
>>>>>> direction and it's future.
>>>>>> When I see the passion and 'ownership' of the Uriah Heep material by
>>>>>> Bernie, a man who has committed his musical career to representing
>>>>>> Uriah Heep around the world, I often wonder why this list spends so
>>>>>> much time celebrating the Byron  'half decade' over the last
>>>>> (soon-to-be)  40 years without him.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let the beat down begin!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Bob Winward
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:34 AM
>>>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1976 Yankees were good, but swept by the Cinncinatti Reds in the World
>>>>>> Series.  Horrible time, I was sick for 2 days with the flu, in college
>>>>>> and not far from Cinncinatti.  I think if you want to pick some great
>>>>>> Yankee Teams, maybe 1978, 1996 and the legendary 1927 team.  1927 was
>>>>>> the Box, Hensley, Thain, Byron lineup for the Yankees, Ruth and Gehrig.
>>>>>> Gehrig played bass, first base that is!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/8/15 9:24 PM, "Scott Manion" <  scottmanion at earthlink.net
>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>> <javascript:;> > wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I met a guy at the Milwaukee show and his first words to me were "It's
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> not the same without Byron."  I stifled a laugh.
>>>>>> I asked him if he knew when
>>>>>>> Byron left the band.  He wasn't sure.
>>>>>> I told him 1976...and next year will
>>>>>>> mark the 40th anniversary of David Byron NOT being in Uriah Heep.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> These
>>>>>>> arguments about the olden days are as relevant as watching old
>>>>>>> re-runs of your favorite sports team back in the 70's and endlessly
>>>>>>> arguing that nobody will ever be better than the 1976 New York
>>>>>>> Yankees!  (I don't even know if they were good that year but you can
>>>>>>> get the idea.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree with Doug.  Teams get
>>>>>>> new players.  And though I might 'long to be in the stadium' when
>>>>>>> Babe Ruth (American Baseball Icon from the 30's) hits one out of the
>>>>>>> park, I can still enjoy baseball now without feeling that it's an
>>>>>>> injustice that others have filled Babe's shoes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades,
>>>>>>> getting new players to keep the team together.
>>>>>> Every year this band continues
>>>>>>> to tour the world and put out music is a cause for celebration.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only
>>>>>>> thing missing from a lot of these posts is the phrase  "Back in my
>>>>>> day...."
>>>>>> I'm certain we all have the ability to accept and tolerate change!
>>>>>>> Especially with a band that has been around for 45 years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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