[Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument

Igor Shveitser zlenko_iv at mail.ru
Wed Mar 11 16:18:39 EDT 2015 

 Don,
The pleasure was all mine, as I really enjoyed reading what you think of David and his attitude. Seems so right and proper. We have a saying in Russia (taken from a poem) which goes like this "The one who was born to crawl can not fly". David was definitely the one born to fly.
Cheers, Igor

Среда, 11 марта 2015, 9:43 -07:00 от Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com>:
>Thank you Igor,
>That's means a lot coming from you. Maybe in a few more years I might earn my stripes for a promotion on the list!!:))))
>Don
>
>On Wednesday, March 11, 2015, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>> Hello Don,
>>Without trying to be polite, I must admit that was amazing, it's been so long that I've last read such an intelligent and profound posting. Don't you be that 'umble, you are a wise man indeed!!!!
>>Cheers, Igor
>>
>>
>>Вторник, 10 марта 2015, 23:18 -07:00 от Don Malecic < docofun at gmail.com >:
>>>Hi Scott,
>>>
>>>I'm not in the hierarchy of the wise men and women on the Heep list but, I
>>>think that David was a perfectionist, he set the bar very high for himself
>>>and his band at the time, being # 2 was just not acceptable for him.
>>>it really bothered him when Heeps competitors made it to  the A list.
>>>
>>>It sure didn't help when Heep were always put down by the music industry .
>>>He just could not accept any rejection or critisicm.
>>>Every human is wired differently to be able to handle this.
>>>I believe this was the catylist for his feelings of anger, moods swings and
>>>even depression.
>>>Adding solice in the bottle just added fuel to the fire that was burning
>>>inside of him.
>>>What happens next is many things, I'm sure everyone has their own list.
>>> Byron by nature is a pop/ rock artist, he sang The fantasy songs with no
>>>complaint when Heep was riding high but, at the end he did start
>>>questioning the direction of the music and unfortunately , the outcome
>>>ended up with his pursuit of pop/ rock solo albums,
>>>His own style and love.
>>>Amazing singer, amazing range. Truly was a vocal instrument in the band.
>>>Hensley might have had the turkey baking, the rest of the guys set the
>>>dinner table but, Byron poured the wine and lit the candles to set the
>>>ambience . :))))
>>>I don't know, maybe Im wrong?
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Scott Manion <  scottmanion at earthlink.net > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Igor,
>>>> I answered your question when I said " We all love David's contributions
>>>> and there will never be another"
>>>> So I ask you how do you reconcile the fact that he quit?  A fact which
>>>> David himself freely reveals over and over in interviews.  I've seen him
>>>> say this and so have you.
>>>>
>>>> In your response below you don't answer to the reality of what happened
>>>> with David that ultimately gets you to the point of endlessly comparing him
>>>> to every other lead singer in the first place.  He quit the band.
>>>> I understand completely your point of view that David's voice and
>>>> everything else about him is 'magical' and does not compare to ANYONE else
>>>> who replaced him...But no one NEEDED to replace him UNTIL HE QUIT.
>>>>
>>>> I agree his voice has incredible "magical charms' in Heep but then after 6
>>>> years he quit Uriah Heep!
>>>>
>>>> Until you reveal your point of view on why he QUIT it's hard to understand
>>>> your endless comparisons to singers who replaced David after he quit the
>>>> band.
>>>> While you reiterate routinely that 'no one is better than David' ...OK, we
>>>> all understand that... and then what...he quit the band.
>>>> Mick Box needed a new lead singer after the ONLY OTHER FOUNDING MEMBER OF
>>>> Uriah Heep QUIT!
>>>> This list is a group of purists and extreme fans of Heep.  They all know
>>>> the history and are among the most knowledgeable and devoted fans of the
>>>> band around the world.
>>>> As a dedicated list member and equally devoted Heep Fan, what is your
>>>> opinion on this specific topic:
>>>>
>>>> Why do you think David Byron QUIT Uriah Heep?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing your perspective with the list on this specific topic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto:  heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
>>>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:06 PM
>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>>>>
>>>>  Scott,
>>>> In order to get a proper answer to your last question, you should ask
>>>> yourself a few more questions. :) How many songs and albums did David Byron
>>>> record during his relatively short time with Heep? Was there even a single
>>>> one which isn't classic to a true Heep lover? How unique his singing manner
>>>> was, how many people were drawn to Heep's camp only because of his voice's
>>>> magical charms? If you get to know the right answers and afterwards have
>>>> them compared to the similar ones regarding Bernie (and some others) and
>>>> his era, perhaps then you will stop wondering. :))))))))))))) Cheers, Igor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Понедельник, 09 марта 2015, 18:56 -05:00 от "Scott Manion" <
>>>>   scottmanion at earthlink.net <javascript:;>>:
>>>> >CLASSIC!
>>>> >Bob, wonderfully done!  Laughing out loud on that one.
>>>> >
>>>> >I stand by two things from my post:
>>>> >Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades, getting new players
>>>> >to keep the team [BAND] together.
>>>> >And, secondly, Bernie is in the roll of Lead Singer for Uriah Heep...So
>>>> >unless he is booted out of the band, he is the man to sing the songs!
>>>> >
>>>> >In the case of David, I believe HIS version of the story.  He quit
>>>> >Uriah Heep.
>>>> >
>>>> >We all love his contributions and there will never be another but...
>>>> >What if he believed as much as all of us?
>>>> >What if he cared as deeply about Uriah Heep as we all do and continued
>>>> >on with the band?
>>>> >Can you imagine the long flowing grey hair of David and Mick on the
>>>> >same stage together now?  We'd all be moved to tears by most of the songs!
>>>> >
>>>> >But he quit.  After 6 years he lost the faith in the band, it's
>>>> >direction and it's future.
>>>> >When I see the passion and 'ownership' of the Uriah Heep material by
>>>> >Bernie, a man who has committed his musical career to representing
>>>> >Uriah Heep around the world, I often wonder why this list spends so
>>>> >much time celebrating the Byron  'half decade' over the last
>>>> (soon-to-be)  40 years without him.
>>>> >
>>>> >Let the beat down begin!
>>>> >
>>>> >Scott
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: Heeplist [mailto:  heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
>>>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
>>>> >Of Bob Winward
>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:34 AM
>>>> >To: Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
>>>> >Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>>>> >
>>>> >1976 Yankees were good, but swept by the Cinncinatti Reds in the World
>>>> >Series.  Horrible time, I was sick for 2 days with the flu, in college
>>>> >and not far from Cinncinatti.  I think if you want to pick some great
>>>> >Yankee Teams, maybe 1978, 1996 and the legendary 1927 team.  1927 was
>>>> >the Box, Hensley, Thain, Byron lineup for the Yankees, Ruth and Gehrig.
>>>> >Gehrig played bass, first base that is!!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On 3/8/15 9:24 PM, "Scott Manion" <   scottmanion at earthlink.net
>>>> <javascript:;> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >I met a guy at the Milwaukee show and his first words to me were "It's
>>>> >just
>>>> >> not the same without Byron."  I stifled a laugh.
>>>> >I asked him if he knew when
>>>> >> Byron left the band.  He wasn't sure.
>>>> >I told him 1976...and next year will
>>>> >> mark the 40th anniversary of David Byron NOT being in Uriah Heep.
>>>> >
>>>> >These
>>>> >> arguments about the olden days are as relevant as watching old
>>>> >> re-runs of your favorite sports team back in the 70's and endlessly
>>>> >> arguing that nobody will ever be better than the 1976 New York
>>>> >> Yankees!  (I don't even know if they were good that year but you can
>>>> >> get the idea.)
>>>> >
>>>> >I agree with Doug.  Teams get
>>>> >> new players.  And though I might 'long to be in the stadium' when
>>>> >> Babe Ruth (American Baseball Icon from the 30's) hits one out of the
>>>> >> park, I can still enjoy baseball now without feeling that it's an
>>>> >> injustice that others have filled Babe's shoes.
>>>> >
>>>> >Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades,
>>>> >> getting new players to keep the team together.
>>>> >Every year this band continues
>>>> >> to tour the world and put out music is a cause for celebration.
>>>> >
>>>> >The only
>>>> >> thing missing from a lot of these posts is the phrase  "Back in my
>>>> >day...."
>>>> >>
>>>> >I'm certain we all have the ability to accept and tolerate change!
>>>> >> Especially with a band that has been around for 45 years.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >-
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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