[Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument

Stan From Home evens78 at chartermi.net
Wed Mar 11 13:49:19 EDT 2015 

Lol, all Heepsters are good Heepsters.


Stan

> On Mar 11, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Igor,
> That's means a lot coming from you.
> Maybe in a few more years I might earn my stripes for a promotion on the
> list!!:))))
> Don
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 11, 2015, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Don,
>> Without trying to be polite, I must admit that was amazing, it's been so
>> long that I've last read such an intelligent and profound posting. Don't
>> you be that 'umble, you are a wise man indeed!!!!
>> Cheers, Igor
>> 
>> 
>> Вторник, 10 марта 2015, 23:18 -07:00 от Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>>:
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> I'm not in the hierarchy of the wise men and women on the Heep list but, I
>>> think that David was a perfectionist, he set the bar very high for himself
>>> and his band at the time, being # 2 was just not acceptable for him.
>>> it really bothered him when Heeps competitors made it to  the A list.
>>> 
>>> It sure didn't help when Heep were always put down by the music industry .
>>> He just could not accept any rejection or critisicm.
>>> Every human is wired differently to be able to handle this.
>>> I believe this was the catylist for his feelings of anger, moods swings
>> and
>>> even depression.
>>> Adding solice in the bottle just added fuel to the fire that was burning
>>> inside of him.
>>> What happens next is many things, I'm sure everyone has their own list.
>>> Byron by nature is a pop/ rock artist, he sang The fantasy songs with no
>>> complaint when Heep was riding high but, at the end he did start
>>> questioning the direction of the music and unfortunately , the outcome
>>> ended up with his pursuit of pop/ rock solo albums,
>>> His own style and love.
>>> Amazing singer, amazing range. Truly was a vocal instrument in the band.
>>> Hensley might have had the turkey baking, the rest of the guys set the
>>> dinner table but, Byron poured the wine and lit the candles to set the
>>> ambience . :))))
>>> I don't know, maybe Im wrong?
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Scott Manion < scottmanion at earthlink.net
>>> <javascript:;> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Igor,
>>>> I answered your question when I said " We all love David's contributions
>>>> and there will never be another"
>>>> So I ask you how do you reconcile the fact that he quit?  A fact which
>>>> David himself freely reveals over and over in interviews.  I've seen him
>>>> say this and so have you.
>>>> 
>>>> In your response below you don't answer to the reality of what happened
>>>> with David that ultimately gets you to the point of endlessly comparing
>> him
>>>> to every other lead singer in the first place.  He quit the band.
>>>> I understand completely your point of view that David's voice and
>>>> everything else about him is 'magical' and does not compare to ANYONE
>> else
>>>> who replaced him...But no one NEEDED to replace him UNTIL HE QUIT.
>>>> 
>>>> I agree his voice has incredible "magical charms' in Heep but then
>> after 6
>>>> years he quit Uriah Heep!
>>>> 
>>>> Until you reveal your point of view on why he QUIT it's hard to
>> understand
>>>> your endless comparisons to singers who replaced David after he quit the
>>>> band.
>>>> While you reiterate routinely that 'no one is better than David' ...OK,
>> we
>>>> all understand that... and then what...he quit the band.
>>>> Mick Box needed a new lead singer after the ONLY OTHER FOUNDING MEMBER
>> OF
>>>> Uriah Heep QUIT!
>>>> This list is a group of purists and extreme fans of Heep.  They all know
>>>> the history and are among the most knowledgeable and devoted fans of the
>>>> band around the world.
>>>> As a dedicated list member and equally devoted Heep Fan, what is your
>>>> opinion on this specific topic:
>>>> 
>>>> Why do you think David Byron QUIT Uriah Heep?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for sharing your perspective with the list on this specific
>> topic.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
>> <javascript:;>
>>>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:06 PM
>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> In order to get a proper answer to your last question, you should ask
>>>> yourself a few more questions. :) How many songs and albums did David
>> Byron
>>>> record during his relatively short time with Heep? Was there even a
>> single
>>>> one which isn't classic to a true Heep lover? How unique his singing
>> manner
>>>> was, how many people were drawn to Heep's camp only because of his
>> voice's
>>>> magical charms? If you get to know the right answers and afterwards have
>>>> them compared to the similar ones regarding Bernie (and some others) and
>>>> his era, perhaps then you will stop wondering. :))))))))))))) Cheers,
>> Igor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Понедельник, 09 марта 2015, 18:56 -05:00 от "Scott Manion" <
>>>> scottmanion at earthlink.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>:
>>>>> CLASSIC!
>>>>> Bob, wonderfully done!  Laughing out loud on that one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I stand by two things from my post:
>>>>> Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades, getting new players
>>>>> to keep the team [BAND] together.
>>>>> And, secondly, Bernie is in the roll of Lead Singer for Uriah Heep...So
>>>>> unless he is booted out of the band, he is the man to sing the songs!
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the case of David, I believe HIS version of the story.  He quit
>>>>> Uriah Heep.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We all love his contributions and there will never be another but...
>>>>> What if he believed as much as all of us?
>>>>> What if he cared as deeply about Uriah Heep as we all do and continued
>>>>> on with the band?
>>>>> Can you imagine the long flowing grey hair of David and Mick on the
>>>>> same stage together now?  We'd all be moved to tears by most of the
>> songs!
>>>>> 
>>>>> But he quit.  After 6 years he lost the faith in the band, it's
>>>>> direction and it's future.
>>>>> When I see the passion and 'ownership' of the Uriah Heep material by
>>>>> Bernie, a man who has committed his musical career to representing
>>>>> Uriah Heep around the world, I often wonder why this list spends so
>>>>> much time celebrating the Byron  'half decade' over the last
>>>> (soon-to-be)  40 years without him.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let the beat down begin!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
>> <javascript:;>
>>>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Bob Winward
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:34 AM
>>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1976 Yankees were good, but swept by the Cinncinatti Reds in the World
>>>>> Series.  Horrible time, I was sick for 2 days with the flu, in college
>>>>> and not far from Cinncinatti.  I think if you want to pick some great
>>>>> Yankee Teams, maybe 1978, 1996 and the legendary 1927 team.  1927 was
>>>>> the Box, Hensley, Thain, Byron lineup for the Yankees, Ruth and Gehrig.
>>>>> Gehrig played bass, first base that is!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/8/15 9:24 PM, "Scott Manion" <  scottmanion at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:;>
>>>> <javascript:;> > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I met a guy at the Milwaukee show and his first words to me were "It's
>>>>> just
>>>>>> not the same without Byron."  I stifled a laugh.
>>>>> I asked him if he knew when
>>>>>> Byron left the band.  He wasn't sure.
>>>>> I told him 1976...and next year will
>>>>>> mark the 40th anniversary of David Byron NOT being in Uriah Heep.
>>>>> 
>>>>> These
>>>>>> arguments about the olden days are as relevant as watching old
>>>>>> re-runs of your favorite sports team back in the 70's and endlessly
>>>>>> arguing that nobody will ever be better than the 1976 New York
>>>>>> Yankees!  (I don't even know if they were good that year but you can
>>>>>> get the idea.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with Doug.  Teams get
>>>>>> new players.  And though I might 'long to be in the stadium' when
>>>>>> Babe Ruth (American Baseball Icon from the 30's) hits one out of the
>>>>>> park, I can still enjoy baseball now without feeling that it's an
>>>>>> injustice that others have filled Babe's shoes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades,
>>>>>> getting new players to keep the team together.
>>>>> Every year this band continues
>>>>>> to tour the world and put out music is a cause for celebration.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only
>>>>>> thing missing from a lot of these posts is the phrase  "Back in my
>>>>> day...."
>>>>> I'm certain we all have the ability to accept and tolerate change!
>>>>>> Especially with a band that has been around for 45 years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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