[Heeplist] Criticism and bourish behaviour

Thu Nov 20 13:21:12 EST 2014

Thank you Martin for the info on correct spelling

This list is very educational I must say. I am learning new English  
words all the time. Bourish or boerish didn't give any results in  
Google Translator. With boorish I got:
"rough and bad-mannered; coarse.
"boorish behavior"
synonyymit: coarse, uncouth, rude, ill-bred, ill-mannered,  
uncivilized, unrefined, rough, thuggish, loutish, oafish, lubberly,  
lumpen, vulgar, unsavory, gross, brutish, Neanderthal, cloddish

A while ago one person on the list who is living in China called me a  
xenophobe. I could have been offended if I had known at the time what  
the word meant. It was only later that I looked it up from a  
dictionary and found out this was meant as an insult towards me.

-- 
TapioM.
tapio at uriah-heep.fi

www.uriah-heep.fi

Lainaus Pete Wharton <heeplistpete at ntlworld.com>:

> Ha ha ha, thanks Martin for taking on my pedantic, educational role while I
> haven't had time to read posts on time :-) If this was Facebook, that would
> be a definite like :-)
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heeplist [mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com] On Behalf Of
> Martin Turk
> Sent: 19 November 2014 19:57
> To: heeplist at travellersintime.com
> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Criticism and bourish behaviour
>
> Gentlemen gentlemen please!
>
> Whilst not wishing to be too pedantic I would however like to point out that
> the correct spelling of these words are 'boorish' and 'arsehole' (although
> the latter may be 'asshole' for our North American colleagues).
> I hope this clarifies any international misunderstanding...
>
> Welcome Jamie.Proud Words On A Dusty Shelf.
>
> Waaaahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaha!
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:51:51 +0000
>> From: jamielaaugust at gmail.com
>> To: zlenko_iv at mail.ru; heeplist at travellersintime.com
>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Criticism and bourish behaviour
>>
>> hi my name is jamie and im a 3rd generation URIAH HEEP fan im new to
>> this website and i agree about the boreish bahavour is outragous
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru>
> wrote:
>>
>> >  Merrick, I do.
>> > From the Oxford dictionary:
>> > call someone names 3
>> > Insult  someone  verbally : a  lot  of  people  called him names and
>> > I was one of them
>> >
>> > You definitely meant someone certain while hiding behind your
>> > regular mask, and I honestly don't like such behaviour and do not
>> > care whether you meant anyone on the list, this is just plain
>> > bourish regarding anyone who has an argumented opinion, as well as your
> position in general.  And don't
>> > you try to pretend these words of yours -   ( SELF OPINIONATED CRITIC)
> or (
>> > SNARKY ASSHOLE) take your pick -  were not an insult no matter if
>> > you mention the addressee or not.
>> > Cheers, Igor
>> >
>> >
>> > Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:58:11 +0000 (UTC) ?? merrick3 at comcast.net:
>> > >
>> > >Igor i did not call anyone any name, I was making a point of
>> > >critics,
>> > criticism, over opinionated comments in general. Now do you see a
>> > any names attached to my comment?
>> > >
>> > >Here let me help you out here,,,, NO! you do not ,,
>> > >
>> > >MADMAN
>> > >
>> > >p.s. URIAH HEEP forer
>> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >---
>> > >From:  "Igor Shveitser" <zlenko_iv at mail.ru>
>> > >To:  merrick3 at comcast.net, "heeplist"
>> > ><heeplist at travellersintime.com>
>> > >Sent:  Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:00:52 PM
>> > >Subject:  Criticism and bourish behaviour
>> > >
>> > >Madman,
>> > >Sorry, but we haven't finished here with you calling people names
>> > >and
>> > saying how much you care about other persons' opinion.
>> > >What is the difference? I'd like to see how you state your case. In
>> > >my
>> > opinion, it is you who's ego is fragile: I just pinpointed certain
>> > things not to your liking, you responded with swear words. In my
>> > eyes, that is the difference between constructive and bourish. Of
>> > course, I don't expect much, and the regular blah-blah-blah stuff
>> > will be enough and only prove what I make of it.
>> > >Igor
>> > >
>> > >Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:10:59 +0000 (UTC) ?? merrick3 at comcast.net:
>> > >>
>> > >> ( SELF OPINIONATED CRITIC) or ( SNARKY ASSHOLE) take your pick.
>> > >> There
>> > is a difference between Constructive and asshole criticism. I know
>> > the difference.
>> > >>
>> > >>MADMAN
>> > >>
>> > >>p.s. URIAH HEEP forever
>> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >>----
>> > >>From:  "Igor Shveitser" <zlenko_iv at mail.ru>
>> > >>To:  "heeplist" <heeplist at travellersintime.com>
>> > >>Sent:  Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:57:39 AM
>> > >>Subject:  Re: [Heeplist] Heeplist] No apologizes (translation)
>> > >>
>> > >> Like it or not, any opinion, whether it belongs to some
>> > >> self-proclaimed
>> > critic on the list (I still wonder who might that be :))), musician,
>> > ordinary listener or three of them in one (as the case may be), or
>> > just some crazy fan, is valid if you have anything constructive to
>> > say. That is what people communicate for, if you don't like it -
>> > well, just don't respond and try to be polite, at least.
>> > >>Cheers, Igor
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC) ?? merrick3 at comcast.net:
>> > >>>I think the new Heep line up is great. To me it is like apples
>> > >>>and
>> > oranges trying to say if this line up is better than 1972. For me it
>> > is what am I in the mood for. I think this line up is great , now I
>> > have a solution for some ok. If you don't like the new line up don't
> listen to it.
>> > For me as a Heep fan listening to this band thru the years with the
>> > many different line ups and the many different albums to listen to
>> > makes me smile. If I want to hear older Heep i put it on, I find my
>> > self listening to a lot of the Bernie Era stuff now. It is funny how
>> > many self proclaimed critics there are , like their opinion is
>> > somehow valid above all others. I will say it again, you don't like
>> > the new heep don't listen to it. Like I need validation of what real
>> > Uriah Heep is HA HA. There will always be over opinionated critics in
> every aspect of life but it really doesn't matter.
>> > With that being said I will be listening to Outsider today when I
>> > head off in the van.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>MADMAN
>> > >>>
>> > >>>p.s. URIAH HEEP FOREVER
>> > >>>
>> > >>>----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>
>> > >>>From: "Bob Winward" < uriahheep at comcast.net >
>> > >>>To: "heeplist" < heeplist at travellersintime.com >
>> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:55:34 AM
>> > >>>Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Heeplist] No apologizes (translation)
>> > >>>
>> > >>>I get Igor's point now and I know many do not agree. What he
>> > >>>seems to be saying is current Uriah Heep is a watered down
>> > >>>version of the 1972 era
>> > Uriah
>> > >>>Heep, with only one original member left. I got that from another
>> > >>>recent post where he says Trevor and Lee are gone.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Now I ask, is there anyone on the list that thinks current Uriah
>> > >>>Heep is better than the 1972 verison? Ok, that is a rhetorical
>> > >>>question as I
>> > doubt
>> > >>>anyone will say that.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>The majority of us feel we are lucky that there is a version of
>> > >>>Uriah
>> > Heep
>> > >>>that makes us happy and puts out great new music. We celebrate
>> > >>>the past, yet embrace the "now" (our Heep glasses are half full)
>> > >>>
>> > >>>So Igor while you have a valid point, you continue to belabor
>> > >>>such point into ad nauseam. Your help glass is half empty or
>> > >>>maybe a drop left, lol
>> > >>>:-)) I do have a question, if they are so bad and so watered down
>> > >>>and
>> > such
>> > >>>shells of their former selves, why are you here? To celebrate the
>> > >>>past
>> > and
>> > >>>reject the now?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>One last question, do you have a band in mind that is playing now
>> > >>>that
>> > does
>> > >>>live up to your expectations and that you are a huge fan of? As
>> > >>>some of
>> > us
>> > >>>over obsessed, pie in the sky Heep fans on the list?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Perhaps I should simply rephrase: Are you a fanatic of any current
> band?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Just aksing here, not trying to cause trouble, only trying to
>> > >>>figure
>> > out why
>> > >>>you bash the current incarnation of Uriah Heep over and over on a
>> > >>>list
>> > of
>> > >>>fans? Are we to be college fraternity pledges who are naked on
>> > >>>hands and knees and every time get spanked, have to scream out
>> > >>>"Thank you sir,
>> > may I
>> > >>>please have some more"?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>On 11/17/14 4:47 PM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> We are talking at cross purposes, Merrick: you treat all that
>> > >>>> as
>> > Uriah Heep,
>> > >>>> I obviously do not. Still, the latest modification of Heep
>> > >>>> plays
>> > pretty much
>> > >>>> the same AOR/modern hard rock since the late 80-s, and I can't
>> > >>>> see
>> > where they
>> > >>>> are being experimental :) The compositions are good, but they
>> > >>>> are
>> > made in
>> > >>>> accordance to several musical models, patterns,whatever you
>> > >>>> call
>> > them. Gypsy
>> > >>>> was different, but that's another band and another story
> altogether.
>> > >>>Cheers,
>> > >>>> Igor