[Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument

Don Malecic docofun at gmail.com
Wed Mar 11 12:43:35 EDT 2015 

Thank you Igor,
That's means a lot coming from you.
Maybe in a few more years I might earn my stripes for a promotion on the
list!!:))))
Don

On Wednesday, March 11, 2015, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru> wrote:

>  Hello Don,
> Without trying to be polite, I must admit that was amazing, it's been so
> long that I've last read such an intelligent and profound posting. Don't
> you be that 'umble, you are a wise man indeed!!!!
> Cheers, Igor
>
>
> Вторник, 10 марта 2015, 23:18 -07:00 от Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>:
> >Hi Scott,
> >
> >I'm not in the hierarchy of the wise men and women on the Heep list but, I
> >think that David was a perfectionist, he set the bar very high for himself
> >and his band at the time, being # 2 was just not acceptable for him.
> >it really bothered him when Heeps competitors made it to  the A list.
> >
> >It sure didn't help when Heep were always put down by the music industry .
> >He just could not accept any rejection or critisicm.
> >Every human is wired differently to be able to handle this.
> >I believe this was the catylist for his feelings of anger, moods swings
> and
> >even depression.
> >Adding solice in the bottle just added fuel to the fire that was burning
> >inside of him.
> >What happens next is many things, I'm sure everyone has their own list.
> > Byron by nature is a pop/ rock artist, he sang The fantasy songs with no
> >complaint when Heep was riding high but, at the end he did start
> >questioning the direction of the music and unfortunately , the outcome
> >ended up with his pursuit of pop/ rock solo albums,
> >His own style and love.
> >Amazing singer, amazing range. Truly was a vocal instrument in the band.
> >Hensley might have had the turkey baking, the rest of the guys set the
> >dinner table but, Byron poured the wine and lit the candles to set the
> >ambience . :))))
> >I don't know, maybe Im wrong?
> >
> >Don
> >
> >
> >On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Scott Manion < scottmanion at earthlink.net
> <javascript:;> > wrote:
> >
> >> Igor,
> >> I answered your question when I said " We all love David's contributions
> >> and there will never be another"
> >> So I ask you how do you reconcile the fact that he quit?  A fact which
> >> David himself freely reveals over and over in interviews.  I've seen him
> >> say this and so have you.
> >>
> >> In your response below you don't answer to the reality of what happened
> >> with David that ultimately gets you to the point of endlessly comparing
> him
> >> to every other lead singer in the first place.  He quit the band.
> >> I understand completely your point of view that David's voice and
> >> everything else about him is 'magical' and does not compare to ANYONE
> else
> >> who replaced him...But no one NEEDED to replace him UNTIL HE QUIT.
> >>
> >> I agree his voice has incredible "magical charms' in Heep but then
> after 6
> >> years he quit Uriah Heep!
> >>
> >> Until you reveal your point of view on why he QUIT it's hard to
> understand
> >> your endless comparisons to singers who replaced David after he quit the
> >> band.
> >> While you reiterate routinely that 'no one is better than David' ...OK,
> we
> >> all understand that... and then what...he quit the band.
> >> Mick Box needed a new lead singer after the ONLY OTHER FOUNDING MEMBER
> OF
> >> Uriah Heep QUIT!
> >> This list is a group of purists and extreme fans of Heep.  They all know
> >> the history and are among the most knowledgeable and devoted fans of the
> >> band around the world.
> >> As a dedicated list member and equally devoted Heep Fan, what is your
> >> opinion on this specific topic:
> >>
> >> Why do you think David Byron QUIT Uriah Heep?
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing your perspective with the list on this specific
> topic.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
> <javascript:;>
> >> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
> >> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:06 PM
> >> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
> >> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
> >>
> >>  Scott,
> >> In order to get a proper answer to your last question, you should ask
> >> yourself a few more questions. :) How many songs and albums did David
> Byron
> >> record during his relatively short time with Heep? Was there even a
> single
> >> one which isn't classic to a true Heep lover? How unique his singing
> manner
> >> was, how many people were drawn to Heep's camp only because of his
> voice's
> >> magical charms? If you get to know the right answers and afterwards have
> >> them compared to the similar ones regarding Bernie (and some others) and
> >> his era, perhaps then you will stop wondering. :))))))))))))) Cheers,
> Igor
> >>
> >>
> >> Понедельник, 09 марта 2015, 18:56 -05:00 от "Scott Manion" <
> >>  scottmanion at earthlink.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>:
> >> >CLASSIC!
> >> >Bob, wonderfully done!  Laughing out loud on that one.
> >> >
> >> >I stand by two things from my post:
> >> >Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades, getting new players
> >> >to keep the team [BAND] together.
> >> >And, secondly, Bernie is in the roll of Lead Singer for Uriah Heep...So
> >> >unless he is booted out of the band, he is the man to sing the songs!
> >> >
> >> >In the case of David, I believe HIS version of the story.  He quit
> >> >Uriah Heep.
> >> >
> >> >We all love his contributions and there will never be another but...
> >> >What if he believed as much as all of us?
> >> >What if he cared as deeply about Uriah Heep as we all do and continued
> >> >on with the band?
> >> >Can you imagine the long flowing grey hair of David and Mick on the
> >> >same stage together now?  We'd all be moved to tears by most of the
> songs!
> >> >
> >> >But he quit.  After 6 years he lost the faith in the band, it's
> >> >direction and it's future.
> >> >When I see the passion and 'ownership' of the Uriah Heep material by
> >> >Bernie, a man who has committed his musical career to representing
> >> >Uriah Heep around the world, I often wonder why this list spends so
> >> >much time celebrating the Byron  'half decade' over the last
> >> (soon-to-be)  40 years without him.
> >> >
> >> >Let the beat down begin!
> >> >
> >> >Scott
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
> <javascript:;>
> >> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> >> >Of Bob Winward
> >> >Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:34 AM
> >> >To: Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
> >> >Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
> >> >
> >> >1976 Yankees were good, but swept by the Cinncinatti Reds in the World
> >> >Series.  Horrible time, I was sick for 2 days with the flu, in college
> >> >and not far from Cinncinatti.  I think if you want to pick some great
> >> >Yankee Teams, maybe 1978, 1996 and the legendary 1927 team.  1927 was
> >> >the Box, Hensley, Thain, Byron lineup for the Yankees, Ruth and Gehrig.
> >> >Gehrig played bass, first base that is!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 3/8/15 9:24 PM, "Scott Manion" <  scottmanion at earthlink.net
> <javascript:;>
> >> <javascript:;> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >I met a guy at the Milwaukee show and his first words to me were "It's
> >> >just
> >> >> not the same without Byron."  I stifled a laugh.
> >> >I asked him if he knew when
> >> >> Byron left the band.  He wasn't sure.
> >> >I told him 1976...and next year will
> >> >> mark the 40th anniversary of David Byron NOT being in Uriah Heep.
> >> >
> >> >These
> >> >> arguments about the olden days are as relevant as watching old
> >> >> re-runs of your favorite sports team back in the 70's and endlessly
> >> >> arguing that nobody will ever be better than the 1976 New York
> >> >> Yankees!  (I don't even know if they were good that year but you can
> >> >> get the idea.)
> >> >
> >> >I agree with Doug.  Teams get
> >> >> new players.  And though I might 'long to be in the stadium' when
> >> >> Babe Ruth (American Baseball Icon from the 30's) hits one out of the
> >> >> park, I can still enjoy baseball now without feeling that it's an
> >> >> injustice that others have filled Babe's shoes.
> >> >
> >> >Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades,
> >> >> getting new players to keep the team together.
> >> >Every year this band continues
> >> >> to tour the world and put out music is a cause for celebration.
> >> >
> >> >The only
> >> >> thing missing from a lot of these posts is the phrase  "Back in my
> >> >day...."
> >> >>
> >> >I'm certain we all have the ability to accept and tolerate change!
> >> >> Especially with a band that has been around for 45 years.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >-
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
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