[Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument

Igor Shveitser zlenko_iv at mail.ru
Wed Mar 11 07:18:54 EDT 2015 

 Hello Don,
Without trying to be polite, I must admit that was amazing, it's been so long that I've last read such an intelligent and profound posting. Don't you be that 'umble, you are a wise man indeed!!!!
Cheers, Igor


Вторник, 10 марта 2015, 23:18 -07:00 от Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com>:
>Hi Scott,
>
>I'm not in the hierarchy of the wise men and women on the Heep list but, I
>think that David was a perfectionist, he set the bar very high for himself
>and his band at the time, being # 2 was just not acceptable for him.
>it really bothered him when Heeps competitors made it to  the A list.
>
>It sure didn't help when Heep were always put down by the music industry .
>He just could not accept any rejection or critisicm.
>Every human is wired differently to be able to handle this.
>I believe this was the catylist for his feelings of anger, moods swings and
>even depression.
>Adding solice in the bottle just added fuel to the fire that was burning
>inside of him.
>What happens next is many things, I'm sure everyone has their own list.
> Byron by nature is a pop/ rock artist, he sang The fantasy songs with no
>complaint when Heep was riding high but, at the end he did start
>questioning the direction of the music and unfortunately , the outcome
>ended up with his pursuit of pop/ rock solo albums,
>His own style and love.
>Amazing singer, amazing range. Truly was a vocal instrument in the band.
>Hensley might have had the turkey baking, the rest of the guys set the
>dinner table but, Byron poured the wine and lit the candles to set the
>ambience . :))))
>I don't know, maybe Im wrong?
>
>Don
>
>
>On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Scott Manion < scottmanion at earthlink.net > wrote:
>
>> Igor,
>> I answered your question when I said " We all love David's contributions
>> and there will never be another"
>> So I ask you how do you reconcile the fact that he quit?  A fact which
>> David himself freely reveals over and over in interviews.  I've seen him
>> say this and so have you.
>>
>> In your response below you don't answer to the reality of what happened
>> with David that ultimately gets you to the point of endlessly comparing him
>> to every other lead singer in the first place.  He quit the band.
>> I understand completely your point of view that David's voice and
>> everything else about him is 'magical' and does not compare to ANYONE else
>> who replaced him...But no one NEEDED to replace him UNTIL HE QUIT.
>>
>> I agree his voice has incredible "magical charms' in Heep but then after 6
>> years he quit Uriah Heep!
>>
>> Until you reveal your point of view on why he QUIT it's hard to understand
>> your endless comparisons to singers who replaced David after he quit the
>> band.
>> While you reiterate routinely that 'no one is better than David' ...OK, we
>> all understand that... and then what...he quit the band.
>> Mick Box needed a new lead singer after the ONLY OTHER FOUNDING MEMBER OF
>> Uriah Heep QUIT!
>> This list is a group of purists and extreme fans of Heep.  They all know
>> the history and are among the most knowledgeable and devoted fans of the
>> band around the world.
>> As a dedicated list member and equally devoted Heep Fan, what is your
>> opinion on this specific topic:
>>
>> Why do you think David Byron QUIT Uriah Heep?
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your perspective with the list on this specific topic.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:06 PM
>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>>
>>  Scott,
>> In order to get a proper answer to your last question, you should ask
>> yourself a few more questions. :) How many songs and albums did David Byron
>> record during his relatively short time with Heep? Was there even a single
>> one which isn't classic to a true Heep lover? How unique his singing manner
>> was, how many people were drawn to Heep's camp only because of his voice's
>> magical charms? If you get to know the right answers and afterwards have
>> them compared to the similar ones regarding Bernie (and some others) and
>> his era, perhaps then you will stop wondering. :))))))))))))) Cheers, Igor
>>
>>
>> Понедельник, 09 марта 2015, 18:56 -05:00 от "Scott Manion" <
>>  scottmanion at earthlink.net <javascript:;>>:
>> >CLASSIC!
>> >Bob, wonderfully done!  Laughing out loud on that one.
>> >
>> >I stand by two things from my post:
>> >Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades, getting new players
>> >to keep the team [BAND] together.
>> >And, secondly, Bernie is in the roll of Lead Singer for Uriah Heep...So
>> >unless he is booted out of the band, he is the man to sing the songs!
>> >
>> >In the case of David, I believe HIS version of the story.  He quit
>> >Uriah Heep.
>> >
>> >We all love his contributions and there will never be another but...
>> >What if he believed as much as all of us?
>> >What if he cared as deeply about Uriah Heep as we all do and continued
>> >on with the band?
>> >Can you imagine the long flowing grey hair of David and Mick on the
>> >same stage together now?  We'd all be moved to tears by most of the songs!
>> >
>> >But he quit.  After 6 years he lost the faith in the band, it's
>> >direction and it's future.
>> >When I see the passion and 'ownership' of the Uriah Heep material by
>> >Bernie, a man who has committed his musical career to representing
>> >Uriah Heep around the world, I often wonder why this list spends so
>> >much time celebrating the Byron  'half decade' over the last
>> (soon-to-be)  40 years without him.
>> >
>> >Let the beat down begin!
>> >
>> >Scott
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Heeplist [mailto: heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com
>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
>> >Of Bob Winward
>> >Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:34 AM
>> >To: Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
>> >Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>> >
>> >1976 Yankees were good, but swept by the Cinncinatti Reds in the World
>> >Series.  Horrible time, I was sick for 2 days with the flu, in college
>> >and not far from Cinncinatti.  I think if you want to pick some great
>> >Yankee Teams, maybe 1978, 1996 and the legendary 1927 team.  1927 was
>> >the Box, Hensley, Thain, Byron lineup for the Yankees, Ruth and Gehrig.
>> >Gehrig played bass, first base that is!!
>> >
>> >
>> >On 3/8/15 9:24 PM, "Scott Manion" <  scottmanion at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:;> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >I met a guy at the Milwaukee show and his first words to me were "It's
>> >just
>> >> not the same without Byron."  I stifled a laugh.
>> >I asked him if he knew when
>> >> Byron left the band.  He wasn't sure.
>> >I told him 1976...and next year will
>> >> mark the 40th anniversary of David Byron NOT being in Uriah Heep.
>> >
>> >These
>> >> arguments about the olden days are as relevant as watching old
>> >> re-runs of your favorite sports team back in the 70's and endlessly
>> >> arguing that nobody will ever be better than the 1976 New York
>> >> Yankees!  (I don't even know if they were good that year but you can
>> >> get the idea.)
>> >
>> >I agree with Doug.  Teams get
>> >> new players.  And though I might 'long to be in the stadium' when
>> >> Babe Ruth (American Baseball Icon from the 30's) hits one out of the
>> >> park, I can still enjoy baseball now without feeling that it's an
>> >> injustice that others have filled Babe's shoes.
>> >
>> >Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades,
>> >> getting new players to keep the team together.
>> >Every year this band continues
>> >> to tour the world and put out music is a cause for celebration.
>> >
>> >The only
>> >> thing missing from a lot of these posts is the phrase  "Back in my
>> >day...."
>> >>
>> >I'm certain we all have the ability to accept and tolerate change!
>> >> Especially with a band that has been around for 45 years.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >-
>> >
>> >
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