[Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory

Pete Wharton heeplistpete at ntlworld.com
Tue Mar 3 03:09:58 EST 2015 

Because he doesn't have anything else to think about other than the release date of tracks he was never involved with :-)

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Heeplist [mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Milanowski
Sent: 03 March 2015 02:16
To: Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
Subject: Re: [Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory

But that doesn't make Bernie any more correct when he states the wrong years of release... While its not extremely important ...the lead singer should probably be accurate while on stage On Mar 2, 2015 8:12 PM, "Kevin Milanowski" <11scorpio06 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I own original copies of the albums on magicians birthday was released 
> in
> 72 and sweet freedom 73... Both were released in the later part of 
> their respective years so it is possible that the both of their 
> airtime came in
> 73 and 74 respectively
> On Mar 2, 2015 8:04 PM, "Bob Winward" <uriahheep at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Well air play for Stealin' was it in 73 or 74?
>>
>> Bob Winward
>>
>> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Kevin Julie <kevinj.1969 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > why as no one corrected Bernie on both song's dates?
>> >
>> >     On Monday, March 2, 2015 2:07 PM, Igor Shveitser 
>> > <zlenko_iv at mail.ru>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >  Dale,
>> > In general I tend to agree with you on all points except one: I
>> personally do care who's who (and that never is as simple as "good" 
>> or "bad"), and I dig rather deep into that, we have such a tendency 
>> here in Russia. :))))
>> > Cheers, Igor
>> >
>> >
>> > Понедельник, 02 марта 2015, 9:14 -08:00 от Dale Fredericks <
>> dalhel at sbcglobal.net>:
>> >> Igor,
>> >> That is what I'm referring to.......who cares who the "bad guys" 
>> >> or
>> the "good guys" are ?
>> >> I am more interested in the music and what each line up had to 
>> >> offer
>> despite any internal friction that was going on. I'm glad you realize 
>> where my head is on this subject. Let's just be happy that despite 
>> any differences that the members had with each other, that the music 
>> was the glue that kept Uriah Heep together all of these years.
>> >>
>> >> Dale :-)>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:59 AM, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Dale,
>> >>> Is there a particular problem with the subject? I hope no one 
>> >>> felt
>> offended anyway, I just notice that sometimes justice must be done 
>> that's why I might sound a bit unconventional to a Heep lover who 
>> thinks he knows for sure who is who, who are "the bad guys", and who are the "good" ones.
>> But yes, music, especially classic, is way more valuable than that.
>> >>> Cheers, Igor
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Воскресенье, 01 марта 2015, 19:12 -08:00 от Dale Fredericks <
>> dalhel at sbcglobal.net >:
>> >>>> Why can't we all just listen to the music and not argue about 
>> >>>> who
>> hated who and whether they continously talk about past members ??
>> >>>> So many more pleasant things to talk about where Heep is involved.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dale
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 4:17 AM, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru 
>> >>>>> >
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Pete,
>> >>>>> I didn't say he "should always be on about... etc." First of 
>> >>>>> all,
>> speaking of classic Heep, Trevor was never a part of it so he doesn't 
>> belong to that list. Then, secondly, I think, when you play other 
>> people's songs you might praise them as often as possible because it 
>> is a) just nice and shows your respect b) kind of makes you bigger in 
>> the eyes of the most devoted fans who really care for the past. And 
>> if not for the past, this band would've never make it not only into 
>> the year 2015, but even into the 80-s. That is plain and natural gratitude that should be expressed.
>> Especially to Ken and David, regardless of who and when acted like an 
>> arsehole :))) And I hope you understand, Pete, that in all decisions 
>> regarding personnel taken by the band there is a collective approach 
>> and, respectively, responsibility, not an individual one.
>> >>>>> Cheers, Igor
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Воскресенье, 01 марта 2015, 12:00 UTC от "Pete Wharton" <
>> heeplistpete at ntlworld.com >:
>> >>>>>> Sorry Igor, I really don't understand why you think Mick 
>> >>>>>> should
>> always be on about David & Gary and Trevor? I'm sure he knows dates 
>> and misses his mates, especially David. Sure Ken can mention them and 
>> say nice things, he's got a lot of time being an arsehole to make up 
>> on. You know Ken admitted at HV2K that John got fired because of drug 
>> usage - Ken's that is - and admitted to not being a nice person at the time?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Pete
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Heeplist [ mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com 
>> >>>>>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
>> >>>>>> Sent: 01 March 2015 11:09
>> >>>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>   Hi Bob,
>> >>>>>> To me that also adds to the picture of how they respect the 
>> >>>>>> past
>> :)))) In Moscow it was the same. I don't judge Bernie too strict, he 
>> wasn't there at the time in question, and the years mentioned 
>> probably point on the time he first heard of respective LPs 
>> :))))))))))))))))) But Mick for sure was there and he ain't deaf - so 
>> why such sloppiness with dates? Hope you had a good show anyway.
>> >>>>>> Cheers, Igor
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Суббота, 28 февраля 2015, 23:51 -05:00 от Bob Winward <
>> uriahheep at comcast.net >:
>> >>>>>>> There was no mention at show tonight of any former members.
>> However
>> >>>>>>> Bernie did say Stealin was from 1974 and Mag BDay 1973. The 
>> >>>>>>> only references to the past
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Bob Winward
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Don Malecic <  
>> >>>>>>>> docofun at gmail.com >
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi Igor,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure at the time there has been more unkind words said
>> between
>> >>>>>>>> Ken and David. Of course the newer members of the band don't 
>> >>>>>>>> have that personal connection to David and Gary, that's just 
>> >>>>>>>> human
>> nature.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Just because Mick isn't outspoken as much as you like him to 
>> >>>>>>>> be,
>> you
>> >>>>>>>> can't say he doesn't have any inner feelings about his  
>> >>>>>>>> previous fellow band mates.
>> >>>>>>>> Just remember when the band was going down the wrong road 
>> >>>>>>>> with
>> their
>> >>>>>>>> pop music era , Mick was the peace keeper in the band and 
>> >>>>>>>> always
>> had been.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If Mick really wanted to, he could have blown  Heep all to 
>> >>>>>>>> hell
>> and
>> >>>>>>>> left and I'm sure Bolder would have followed right behind him.
>> Then
>> >>>>>>>> it really would have been the Mick Box band.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I wish fellow Heepsters wouldn't refer Heep as Micks band.
>> >>>>>>>> Mick has always been a team player.
>> >>>>>>>> Without his vision none of us would be talking about the 
>> >>>>>>>> band or
>> have
>> >>>>>>>> the opportunity to see them still playing. So everyone enjoy 
>> >>>>>>>> the show! :)))) Igor, there on our side of the pond now lol!!
>> >>>>>>>> Don
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Igor Shveitser <
>> zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Pete, I could add to that the fact: when they came to 
>> >>>>>>>>> Moscow
>> for the
>> >>>>>>>>> third time (it was 1998, during the World Cup in France), 
>> >>>>>>>>> in an interview Mick and Bernie stated that they dedicate 
>> >>>>>>>>> that song to David and Gary who are in rock'n'roll heaven. 
>> >>>>>>>>> But that was ages
>> ago,
>> >>>>>>>>> and since then I've been hearing a lot of kind words about 
>> >>>>>>>>> his deceased colleagues from Ken (in his both live speeches 
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> diaries)
>> >>>>>>>>> while Mick and the associates, no matter what the occasion 
>> >>>>>>>>> is,
>> seem
>> >>>>>>>>> to be more focused on the current events and never (correct 
>> >>>>>>>>> me
>> if
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm wrong) ever mentioned anything about David's or Gary's
>> birthdays
>> >>>>>>>>> or vital input into what still feeds these musicians well
>> >>>>>>>>> :)))) And mentioning Ken seems to be a taboo at all - if 
>> >>>>>>>>> not
>> only in
>> >>>>>>>>> the negative way (this for instance did Mr.Bolder on one of 
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> CLR
>> >>>>>>>>> video
>> >>>>>>>>> releases) or hastily. By the way, that ignorance regarding
>> those who
>> >>>>>>>>> made it all, turned a lot of old Heep fans into people who 
>> >>>>>>>>> don't care about Mick's band at all no matter how good is 
>> >>>>>>>>> his and
>> Phil's
>> >>>>>>>>> music. A lot of people feel offended by such behaviour. As 
>> >>>>>>>>> for
>> me, I
>> >>>>>>>>> feel not entirely the same, I understand they have their
>> reasons,
>> >>>>>>>>> and still it would be way better - and for the band's image 
>> >>>>>>>>> as
>> well
>> >>>>>>>>> - to give credit where it should be given. And to remember 
>> >>>>>>>>> old
>> great
>> >>>>>>>>> friends by mentioning their name more often.
>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, Igor
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
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