[Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory

Kevin Milanowski 11scorpio06 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 2 21:16:03 EST 2015 

We'll see what he says on Friday
On Mar 2, 2015 8:12 PM, "Kevin Milanowski" <11scorpio06 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I own original copies of the albums on magicians birthday was released in
> 72 and sweet freedom 73... Both were released in the later part of their
> respective years so it is possible that the both of their airtime came in
> 73 and 74 respectively
> On Mar 2, 2015 8:04 PM, "Bob Winward" <uriahheep at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Well air play for Stealin' was it in 73 or 74?
>>
>> Bob Winward
>>
>> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Kevin Julie <kevinj.1969 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > why as no one corrected Bernie on both song's dates?
>> >
>> >     On Monday, March 2, 2015 2:07 PM, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >  Dale,
>> > In general I tend to agree with you on all points except one: I
>> personally do care who's who (and that never is as simple as "good" or
>> "bad"), and I dig rather deep into that, we have such a tendency here in
>> Russia. :))))
>> > Cheers, Igor
>> >
>> >
>> > Понедельник, 02 марта 2015, 9:14 -08:00 от Dale Fredericks <
>> dalhel at sbcglobal.net>:
>> >> Igor,
>> >> That is what I'm referring to.......who cares who the "bad guys" or
>> the "good guys" are ?
>> >> I am more interested in the music and what each line up had to offer
>> despite any internal friction that was going on. I'm glad you realize where
>> my head is on this subject. Let's just be happy that despite any
>> differences that the members had with each other, that the music was the
>> glue that kept Uriah Heep together all of these years.
>> >>
>> >> Dale :-)>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:59 AM, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Dale,
>> >>> Is there a particular problem with the subject? I hope no one felt
>> offended anyway, I just notice that sometimes justice must be done that's
>> why I might sound a bit unconventional to a Heep lover who thinks he knows
>> for sure who is who, who are "the bad guys", and who are the "good" ones.
>> But yes, music, especially classic, is way more valuable than that.
>> >>> Cheers, Igor
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Воскресенье, 01 марта 2015, 19:12 -08:00 от Dale Fredericks <
>> dalhel at sbcglobal.net >:
>> >>>> Why can't we all just listen to the music and not argue about who
>> hated who and whether they continously talk about past members ??
>> >>>> So many more pleasant things to talk about where Heep is involved.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dale
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 4:17 AM, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Pete,
>> >>>>> I didn't say he "should always be on about... etc." First of all,
>> speaking of classic Heep, Trevor was never a part of it so he doesn't
>> belong to that list. Then, secondly, I think, when you play other people's
>> songs you might praise them as often as possible because it is a) just nice
>> and shows your respect b) kind of makes you bigger in the eyes of the most
>> devoted fans who really care for the past. And if not for the past, this
>> band would've never make it not only into the year 2015, but even into the
>> 80-s. That is plain and natural gratitude that should be expressed.
>> Especially to Ken and David, regardless of who and when acted like an
>> arsehole :))) And I hope you understand, Pete, that in all decisions
>> regarding personnel taken by the band there is a collective approach and,
>> respectively, responsibility, not an individual one.
>> >>>>> Cheers, Igor
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Воскресенье, 01 марта 2015, 12:00 UTC от "Pete Wharton" <
>> heeplistpete at ntlworld.com >:
>> >>>>>> Sorry Igor, I really don't understand why you think Mick should
>> always be on about David & Gary and Trevor? I'm sure he knows dates and
>> misses his mates, especially David. Sure Ken can mention them and say nice
>> things, he's got a lot of time being an arsehole to make up on. You know
>> Ken admitted at HV2K that John got fired because of drug usage - Ken's that
>> is - and admitted to not being a nice person at the time?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Pete
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Heeplist [ mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com ]
>> On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
>> >>>>>> Sent: 01 March 2015 11:09
>> >>>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>   Hi Bob,
>> >>>>>> To me that also adds to the picture of how they respect the past
>> :)))) In Moscow it was the same. I don't judge Bernie too strict, he wasn't
>> there at the time in question, and the years mentioned probably point on
>> the time he first heard of respective LPs :))))))))))))))))) But Mick for
>> sure was there and he ain't deaf - so why such sloppiness with dates? Hope
>> you had a good show anyway.
>> >>>>>> Cheers, Igor
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Суббота, 28 февраля 2015, 23:51 -05:00 от Bob Winward <
>> uriahheep at comcast.net >:
>> >>>>>>> There was no mention at show tonight of any former members.
>> However
>> >>>>>>> Bernie did say Stealin was from 1974 and Mag BDay 1973. The only
>> >>>>>>> references to the past
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Bob Winward
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Don Malecic <  docofun at gmail.com >
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi Igor,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure at the time there has been more unkind words said
>> between
>> >>>>>>>> Ken and David. Of course the newer members of the band don't have
>> >>>>>>>> that personal connection to David and Gary, that's just human
>> nature.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Just because Mick isn't outspoken as much as you like him to be,
>> you
>> >>>>>>>> can't say he doesn't have any inner feelings about his  previous
>> >>>>>>>> fellow band mates.
>> >>>>>>>> Just remember when the band was going down the wrong road with
>> their
>> >>>>>>>> pop music era , Mick was the peace keeper in the band and always
>> had been.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If Mick really wanted to, he could have blown  Heep all to hell
>> and
>> >>>>>>>> left and I'm sure Bolder would have followed right behind him.
>> Then
>> >>>>>>>> it really would have been the Mick Box band.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I wish fellow Heepsters wouldn't refer Heep as Micks band.
>> >>>>>>>> Mick has always been a team player.
>> >>>>>>>> Without his vision none of us would be talking about the band or
>> have
>> >>>>>>>> the opportunity to see them still playing. So everyone enjoy the
>> >>>>>>>> show! :)))) Igor, there on our side of the pond now lol!!
>> >>>>>>>> Don
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Igor Shveitser <
>> zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Pete, I could add to that the fact: when they came to Moscow
>> for the
>> >>>>>>>>> third time (it was 1998, during the World Cup in France), in an
>> >>>>>>>>> interview Mick and Bernie stated that they dedicate that song to
>> >>>>>>>>> David and Gary who are in rock'n'roll heaven. But that was ages
>> ago,
>> >>>>>>>>> and since then I've been hearing a lot of kind words about his
>> >>>>>>>>> deceased colleagues from Ken (in his both live speeches and
>> diaries)
>> >>>>>>>>> while Mick and the associates, no matter what the occasion is,
>> seem
>> >>>>>>>>> to be more focused on the current events and never (correct me
>> if
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm wrong) ever mentioned anything about David's or Gary's
>> birthdays
>> >>>>>>>>> or vital input into what still feeds these musicians well
>> >>>>>>>>> :)))) And mentioning Ken seems to be a taboo at all - if not
>> only in
>> >>>>>>>>> the negative way (this for instance did Mr.Bolder on one of the
>> CLR
>> >>>>>>>>> video
>> >>>>>>>>> releases) or hastily. By the way, that ignorance regarding
>> those who
>> >>>>>>>>> made it all, turned a lot of old Heep fans into people who don't
>> >>>>>>>>> care about Mick's band at all no matter how good is his and
>> Phil's
>> >>>>>>>>> music. A lot of people feel offended by such behaviour. As for
>> me, I
>> >>>>>>>>> feel not entirely the same, I understand they have their
>> reasons,
>> >>>>>>>>> and still it would be way better - and for the band's image as
>> well
>> >>>>>>>>> - to give credit where it should be given. And to remember old
>> great
>> >>>>>>>>> friends by mentioning their name more often.
>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, Igor
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
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