[Heeplist] Criticism and bourish behaviour
Shawn Mctopy
shawn.mctopy at selu.edu
Thu Nov 20 19:34:06 EST 2014
The *PROPHECY Jam* - Todd & Chad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL2Ju0Duhsg
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On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru> wrote:
> Actually, any word that consists a root "phobe" can mean no good
> :)))))))))))))))But the one who lives in China probably confused you with
> someone else. But that was surely and unfriendly gesture anyway :))))
> Cheers, Igor
>
>
> Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:21:12 +0200 от Tapio Minkkinen <tapio at uriah-heep.fi>:
> >Thank you Martin for the info on correct spelling
> >
> >This list is very educational I must say. I am learning new English
> >words all the time. Bourish or boerish didn't give any results in
> >Google Translator. With boorish I got:
> >"rough and bad-mannered; coarse.
> >"boorish behavior"
> >synonyymit: coarse, uncouth, rude, ill-bred, ill-mannered,
> >uncivilized, unrefined, rough, thuggish, loutish, oafish, lubberly,
> >lumpen, vulgar, unsavory, gross, brutish, Neanderthal, cloddish
> >
> >A while ago one person on the list who is living in China called me a
> >xenophobe. I could have been offended if I had known at the time what
> >the word meant. It was only later that I looked it up from a
> >dictionary and found out this was meant as an insult towards me.
> >
> >
> >--
> >TapioM.
> >tapio at uriah-heep.fi
> >
> >www.uriah-heep.fi
> >
> >
> >
> >Lainaus Pete Wharton < heeplistpete at ntlworld.com >:
> >
> >> Ha ha ha, thanks Martin for taking on my pedantic, educational role
> while I
> >> haven't had time to read posts on time :-) If this was Facebook, that
> would
> >> be a definite like :-)
> >>
> >> Pete
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Heeplist [mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com] On
> Behalf Of
> >> Martin Turk
> >> Sent: 19 November 2014 19:57
> >> To: heeplist at travellersintime.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Criticism and bourish behaviour
> >>
> >> Gentlemen gentlemen please!
> >>
> >> Whilst not wishing to be too pedantic I would however like to point out
> that
> >> the correct spelling of these words are 'boorish' and 'arsehole'
> (although
> >> the latter may be 'asshole' for our North American colleagues).
> >> I hope this clarifies any international misunderstanding...
> >>
> >> Welcome Jamie.Proud Words On A Dusty Shelf.
> >>
> >> Waaaahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaha!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:51:51 +0000
> >>> From: jamielaaugust at gmail.com
> >>> To: zlenko_iv at mail.ru; heeplist at travellersintime.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Criticism and bourish behaviour
> >>>
> >>> hi my name is jamie and im a 3rd generation URIAH HEEP fan im new to
> >>> this website and i agree about the boreish bahavour is outragous
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Merrick, I do.
> >>> > From the Oxford dictionary:
> >>> > call someone names 3
> >>> > Insult someone verbally : a lot of people called him names and
> >>> > I was one of them
> >>> >
> >>> > You definitely meant someone certain while hiding behind your
> >>> > regular mask, and I honestly don't like such behaviour and do not
> >>> > care whether you meant anyone on the list, this is just plain
> >>> > bourish regarding anyone who has an argumented opinion, as well as
> your
> >> position in general. And don't
> >>> > you try to pretend these words of yours - ( SELF OPINIONATED
> CRITIC)
> >> or (
> >>> > SNARKY ASSHOLE) take your pick - were not an insult no matter if
> >>> > you mention the addressee or not.
> >>> > Cheers, Igor
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:58:11 +0000 (UTC) ?? merrick3 at comcast.net:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Igor i did not call anyone any name, I was making a point of
> >>> > >critics,
> >>> > criticism, over opinionated comments in general. Now do you see a
> >>> > any names attached to my comment?
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Here let me help you out here,,,, NO! you do not ,,
> >>> > >
> >>> > >MADMAN
> >>> > >
> >>> > >p.s. URIAH HEEP forer
> >>> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> > >---
> >>> > >From: "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
> >>> > >To: merrick3 at comcast.net, "heeplist"
> >>> > >< heeplist at travellersintime.com >
> >>> > >Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:00:52 PM
> >>> > >Subject: Criticism and bourish behaviour
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Madman,
> >>> > >Sorry, but we haven't finished here with you calling people names
> >>> > >and
> >>> > saying how much you care about other persons' opinion.
> >>> > >What is the difference? I'd like to see how you state your case. In
> >>> > >my
> >>> > opinion, it is you who's ego is fragile: I just pinpointed certain
> >>> > things not to your liking, you responded with swear words. In my
> >>> > eyes, that is the difference between constructive and bourish. Of
> >>> > course, I don't expect much, and the regular blah-blah-blah stuff
> >>> > will be enough and only prove what I make of it.
> >>> > >Igor
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:10:59 +0000 (UTC) ?? merrick3 at comcast.net:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> ( SELF OPINIONATED CRITIC) or ( SNARKY ASSHOLE) take your pick.
> >>> > >> There
> >>> > is a difference between Constructive and asshole criticism. I know
> >>> > the difference.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>MADMAN
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>p.s. URIAH HEEP forever
> >>> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> > >>----
> >>> > >>From: "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
> >>> > >>To: "heeplist" < heeplist at travellersintime.com >
> >>> > >>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:57:39 AM
> >>> > >>Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Heeplist] No apologizes (translation)
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Like it or not, any opinion, whether it belongs to some
> >>> > >> self-proclaimed
> >>> > critic on the list (I still wonder who might that be :))), musician,
> >>> > ordinary listener or three of them in one (as the case may be), or
> >>> > just some crazy fan, is valid if you have anything constructive to
> >>> > say. That is what people communicate for, if you don't like it -
> >>> > well, just don't respond and try to be polite, at least.
> >>> > >>Cheers, Igor
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC) ?? merrick3 at comcast.net:
> >>> > >>>I think the new Heep line up is great. To me it is like apples
> >>> > >>>and
> >>> > oranges trying to say if this line up is better than 1972. For me it
> >>> > is what am I in the mood for. I think this line up is great , now I
> >>> > have a solution for some ok. If you don't like the new line up don't
> >> listen to it.
> >>> > For me as a Heep fan listening to this band thru the years with the
> >>> > many different line ups and the many different albums to listen to
> >>> > makes me smile. If I want to hear older Heep i put it on, I find my
> >>> > self listening to a lot of the Bernie Era stuff now. It is funny how
> >>> > many self proclaimed critics there are , like their opinion is
> >>> > somehow valid above all others. I will say it again, you don't like
> >>> > the new heep don't listen to it. Like I need validation of what real
> >>> > Uriah Heep is HA HA. There will always be over opinionated critics in
> >> every aspect of life but it really doesn't matter.
> >>> > With that being said I will be listening to Outsider today when I
> >>> > head off in the van.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>MADMAN
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>p.s. URIAH HEEP FOREVER
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>From: "Bob Winward" < uriahheep at comcast.net >
> >>> > >>>To: "heeplist" < heeplist at travellersintime.com >
> >>> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:55:34 AM
> >>> > >>>Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Heeplist] No apologizes (translation)
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>I get Igor's point now and I know many do not agree. What he
> >>> > >>>seems to be saying is current Uriah Heep is a watered down
> >>> > >>>version of the 1972 era
> >>> > Uriah
> >>> > >>>Heep, with only one original member left. I got that from another
> >>> > >>>recent post where he says Trevor and Lee are gone.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>Now I ask, is there anyone on the list that thinks current Uriah
> >>> > >>>Heep is better than the 1972 verison? Ok, that is a rhetorical
> >>> > >>>question as I
> >>> > doubt
> >>> > >>>anyone will say that.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>The majority of us feel we are lucky that there is a version of
> >>> > >>>Uriah
> >>> > Heep
> >>> > >>>that makes us happy and puts out great new music. We celebrate
> >>> > >>>the past, yet embrace the "now" (our Heep glasses are half full)
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>So Igor while you have a valid point, you continue to belabor
> >>> > >>>such point into ad nauseam. Your help glass is half empty or
> >>> > >>>maybe a drop left, lol
> >>> > >>>:-)) I do have a question, if they are so bad and so watered down
> >>> > >>>and
> >>> > such
> >>> > >>>shells of their former selves, why are you here? To celebrate the
> >>> > >>>past
> >>> > and
> >>> > >>>reject the now?
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>One last question, do you have a band in mind that is playing now
> >>> > >>>that
> >>> > does
> >>> > >>>live up to your expectations and that you are a huge fan of? As
> >>> > >>>some of
> >>> > us
> >>> > >>>over obsessed, pie in the sky Heep fans on the list?
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>Perhaps I should simply rephrase: Are you a fanatic of any current
> >> band?
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>Just aksing here, not trying to cause trouble, only trying to
> >>> > >>>figure
> >>> > out why
> >>> > >>>you bash the current incarnation of Uriah Heep over and over on a
> >>> > >>>list
> >>> > of
> >>> > >>>fans? Are we to be college fraternity pledges who are naked on
> >>> > >>>hands and knees and every time get spanked, have to scream out
> >>> > >>>"Thank you sir,
> >>> > may I
> >>> > >>>please have some more"?
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>On 11/17/14 4:47 PM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
> wrote:
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> We are talking at cross purposes, Merrick: you treat all that
> >>> > >>>> as
> >>> > Uriah Heep,
> >>> > >>>> I obviously do not. Still, the latest modification of Heep
> >>> > >>>> plays
> >>> > pretty much
> >>> > >>>> the same AOR/modern hard rock since the late 80-s, and I can't
> >>> > >>>> see
> >>> > where they
> >>> > >>>> are being experimental :) The compositions are good, but they
> >>> > >>>> are
> >>> > made in
> >>> > >>>> accordance to several musical models, patterns,whatever you
> >>> > >>>> call
> >>> > them. Gypsy
> >>> > >>>> was different, but that's another band and another story
> >> altogether.
> >>> > >>>Cheers,
> >>> > >>>> Igor
> >
> >
> >
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