[Heeplist] Outsider revisited

Tue Nov 11 14:09:51 EST 2014

Enjoying my evening coffe listening to Spice, thanks for reminding me Kevin ;-)

Terje

-----Original Message-----
From: Heeplist [mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Don Malecic; Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time); Don Malecic; Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Outsider revisited

 Guys and gals!
I hope, all of our little chat won't spoil nobody's enjoying his morning coffee or whatever else :))) Cheers, Igor

Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:05:00 -0800 от Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com>:
>Hi Igor,
>Sorry I was just out chopping some wood for my wood stove :))) Ok I see 
>where your going with your point.
>Guys, sorry and gals!
>Enjoying my coffee reading the list this morning!
>Great Theatre! :)))
>I wonder if MADMAN is enjoying his coffee!
>D
>
>On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>It's not about "penned by Hensley" or not, it's more about "when" and which musicians took part in the recording/performance. That's why Between Two Worlds ( a good song indeed for 1998) hardly will make it to the compilation of the very best of Heep/Heep-related and neither will do Ken's songs of that time. Different era, different chemistry, much less original. I will give you one example: BTW starts with keyboard intro which quite reminds of something from... The Gods (!), and another great track from the album, Shelter from... yes, the Rain (got one more song dedicated to that weather condition!!!!) :)))) suspiciously reminds of smth made by Wishbone Ash plus ... Weep In Silence. I hope, you got my point.
>>Cheers, Igor
>>
>>
>>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:27:07 -0800 от Don Malecic < docofun at gmail.com >:
>>>I agree with you Bob, Heep has written a lot of great music without 
>>>the pen of Hensley , From SOL to Outsider.
>>>Yes all Heep is good Heep, I won't dare mention the C word! :))) Yes 
>>>and all box is good Box works for me as well .
>>>D
>>>
>>>On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Bob Winward <  uriahheep at comcast.net > wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can say what ever you want
>>>> It still says Uriah Heep on the Outsider and not one of them is a cover.
>>>> Even in 1972, it was not the same Heep that started in 1970. They 
>>>> had their 3rd bass player and 5th? Drummer by then.  By 1977 they 
>>>> only had 2 original members.  Mick does have legal rights to the 
>>>> name, the band has evolved and they continually put out new music.  
>>>> Some of this new music is as good as the old stuff.  Between 2 
>>>> Worlds is one of Heep’s geates songs that Hensley did not pen.  
>>>> Shaw and Lanzon will have 30 years in the band after next year.
>>>>
>>>> Since they continue to put out new music, we can celebrate what 
>>>> was, but embrace what is!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/14 12:33 PM, "Igor Shveitser" <  zlenko_iv at mail.ru 
>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Bob,
>>>> > I respect any opinion, but see it myself  from quite a different angle:
>>>> Phil
>>>> > Lanzon, Bernie Shaw, Russel Gilbrook, Davey Rimmer plus Mick Box 
>>>> > mostly
>>>> play
>>>> > the songs, initially written and performed live by Hensley, 
>>>> > Byron, Box
>>>> etc.. -
>>>> > I intentionally, on purpose, name the former band members in the 
>>>> > order of their contribution to the music of classic Heep. The 
>>>> > only similarity
>>>> between
>>>> > the bands is the name plus the figure of lead guitarist, who is, 
>>>> > of
>>>> course,
>>>> > still great and perhaps even better than ever... but we all know 
>>>> > it ain't enough to even come close to "that" Heep from all points 
>>>> > of view. And I wouldn't compare the two: this band, as I stated 
>>>> > many times before, has
>>>> its
>>>> > own unique style; it shines, regarding studio work, on the modern 
>>>> > rock
>>>> skies
>>>> > no worse than the legend did in the 70-s.  But when it comes to 
>>>> > live
>>>> concerts,
>>>> > modern Heep, - perhaps, not intentionally but still it's a fact -
>>>> competes
>>>> > with that band playing live the likes of Gypsy, July Morning etc. 
>>>> > and,
>>>> in my
>>>> > eyes loses in almost every way. Having Lee and Trevor it was a 
>>>> > bit
>>>> different
>>>> > 'cause they knew better how to play Heep music properly. Having Mr.
>>>> Lawton on
>>>> > stage made it even better - John is the singer, I tell ya' :))) 
>>>> > Having
>>>> said
>>>> > that, I still enjoy the Outsider and would love to see it played 
>>>> > live in
>>>> all
>>>> > it entirety while most of the classics should be left out for 
>>>> > they truly
>>>> do
>>>> > not belong to this band and in their "reading" the songs are 
>>>> > nothing but covers really.
>>>> > Cheers, Igor
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:07:12 -0500 от Bob Winward <  
>>>> > uriahheep at comcast.net
>>>> <javascript:;>>:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I do not agree, a cover band, covers the material of others.  
>>>> >> Uriah Heep continues to produce fresh new vibrant music!!  They 
>>>> >> may not sound as
>>>> great
>>>> >> as 70's Heep but they have evolved and from what I see, Outsider 
>>>> >> is
>>>> highly
>>>> >> enjoyed and accepted by most fans.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In contrast, you could take Styx, an oldies cover band who plays 
>>>> >> old
>>>> songs.
>>>> >> Their last cd was a cd of covers right?  No new music.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Bob "All Heep is good Heep" Winward
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 11/10/14 7:51 AM, "Igor Shveitser" <  zlenko_iv at mail.ru 
>>>> >> <javascript:;> < /compose?To= zlenko_iv at mail.ru <javascript:;>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> >   With him they finally turned into what Heep became ages  
>>>> >>> >ago - a very professional cover band with one original member.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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