[Heeplist] Outsider revisited

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Tue Nov 11 14:00:18 EST 2014 

HEY im listening to SPICE AH AH AH 

MADMAN 

p.s. Uriah Heep forever 

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From: "Igor Shveitser" <zlenko_iv at mail.ru> 
To: "Bob Winward" <uriahheep at comcast.net>, "heeplist" <heeplist at travellersintime.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:12:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Outsider revisited 


It seems you haven't read properly or understood, what I had written before, if you come to such conclusions, Bob. I never said anything like that. Once again, my point of view, summarized: Uriah Heep was then, Mick Box is very good, some of their songs are solid rock numbers of today, I even love some of them and would love to see more live, but I don't like them play classic Heep (at least, most of the Byron era), and when they do those, they turn into cover band. Now, I hope, we have it clarified. 
Cheers, Igor 

Tue, 11 Nov 2014 08:56:46 -0500 от Bob Winward <uriahheep at comcast.net>: 
>I thought you were the one comparing and saying they are no good anymore 
>It just feels like you keep chopping the same wood and yelling Heep sucks, 
>Heep sucks (Mick Box's Heep that is) :-) 
> 
> 
>On 11/11/14 8:40 AM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote: 
> 
>> Bob, 
>I don't want to be rude, but we have quite a rude saying here, in 
>> Russia, which goes like this: "There's a word "dick" written on your 
>> wood-shed, still inside you have only fire-wood". :))))))))))))) Legal rights 
>> have nothing to do, - as we all know, - with way more thin things like 
>> chemistry, energy, etc. And, if I were you, I wouldn't go into all that 
>> historical details and comparisons. 30 years - who cares? Classic Heep spent 
>> together only 6 and a half - but made almost all that is real Heep to me and 
>> most of us. Music is all that matters, and this band has little if anything in 
>> common with the classic Heep. Still I like the Outsider, but wouldn't go into 
>> comparisons with Heep. 
>Cheers, Igor 
> 
> 
>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:44 -0500 от Bob 
>> Winward < uriahheep at comcast.net >: 
>>You can say what ever you want 
>>It still 
>> says Uriah Heep on the Outsider and not one of them is a cover. 
>>Even in 1972, 
>> it was not the same Heep that started in 1970. They had their 
>>3rd bass player 
>> and 5th? Drummer by then. By 1977 they only had 2 original 
>>members. Mick 
>> does have legal rights to the name, the band has evolved and 
>>they continually 
>> put out new music. Some of this new music is as good as 
>>the old stuff. 
>> Between 2 Worlds is one of Heep’s geates songs that Hensley 
>>did not pen. 
>> Shaw and Lanzon will have 30 years in the band after next 
>>year. 
>> 
>>Since they 
>> continue to put out new music, we can celebrate what was, but 
>>embrace what 
>> is! 
>> 
>> 
>>On 11/10/14 12:33 PM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Bob, 
>>> I respect any opinion, but see it myself from quite a 
>> different angle: Phil 
>>> Lanzon, Bernie Shaw, Russel Gilbrook, Davey Rimmer 
>> plus Mick Box mostly play 
>>> the songs, initially written and performed live 
>> by Hensley, Byron, Box etc.. - 
>>> I intentionally, on purpose, name the former 
>> band members in the order of 
>>> their contribution to the music of classic 
>> Heep. The only similarity between 
>>> the bands is the name plus the figure of 
>> lead guitarist, who is, of course, 
>>> still great and perhaps even better than 
>> ever... but we all know it ain't 
>>> enough to even come close to "that" Heep 
>> from all points of view. And I 
>>> wouldn't compare the two: this band, as I 
>> stated many times before, has its 
>>> own unique style; it shines, regarding 
>> studio work, on the modern rock skies 
>>> no worse than the legend did in the 
>> 70-s. But when it comes to live concerts, 
>>> modern Heep, - perhaps, not 
>> intentionally but still it's a fact - competes 
>>> with that band playing live 
>> the likes of Gypsy, July Morning etc. and, in my 
>>> eyes loses in almost every 
>> way. Having Lee and Trevor it was a bit different 
>>> 'cause they knew better 
>> how to play Heep music properly. Having Mr. Lawton on 
>>> stage made it even 
>> better - John is the singer, I tell ya' :))) Having said 
>>> that, I still 
>> enjoy the Outsider and would love to see it played live in all 
>>> it entirety 
>> while most of the classics should be left out for they truly do 
>>> not belong 
>> to this band and in their "reading" the songs are nothing but 
>>> covers 
>> really. 
>>> Cheers, Igor 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:07:12 -0500 от Bob 
>> Winward < uriahheep at comcast.net >: 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I do not agree, a cover band, 
>> covers the material of others. Uriah Heep 
>>>> continues to produce fresh new 
>> vibrant music!! They may not sound as great 
>>>> as 70's Heep but they have 
>> evolved and from what I see, Outsider is highly 
>>>> enjoyed and accepted by 
>> most fans. 
>>>> 
>>>> In contrast, you could take Styx, an oldies cover band who 
>> plays old songs. 
>>>> Their last cd was a cd of covers right? No new 
>> music. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob "All Heep is good Heep" Winward 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 
>> 11/10/14 7:51 AM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru 
>>>> < 
>> /compose?To=zlenko_iv at mail.ru > > wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>>> > With him they finally 
>> turned into what Heep became ages 
>>>>> > ago - a very professional cover band 
>> with one original member. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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