[Heeplist] Outsider revisited

Tue Nov 11 09:12:39 EST 2014

It seems you haven't read properly or understood, what I had written before, if you come to such conclusions, Bob. I never said anything like that. Once again, my point of view, summarized: Uriah Heep was then, Mick Box is very good, some of their songs are solid rock numbers of today, I even love some of them and would love to see more live, but I don't like them play classic Heep (at least, most of the Byron era), and when they do those, they turn into cover band. Now, I hope, we have it clarified.
Cheers, Igor

Tue, 11 Nov 2014 08:56:46 -0500 от Bob Winward <uriahheep at comcast.net>:
>I thought you were the one comparing and saying they  are no good anymore
>It just feels like you keep chopping the same wood and yelling Heep sucks,
>Heep sucks (Mick Box's Heep that is)  :-)
>
>
>On 11/11/14 8:40 AM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Bob,
>I don't want to be rude, but we have quite a rude saying here, in
>> Russia, which goes like this: "There's a word "dick" written on your
>> wood-shed, still inside you have only fire-wood". :))))))))))))) Legal rights
>> have nothing to do, - as we all know, -  with way more thin things like
>> chemistry, energy, etc. And, if I were you, I wouldn't go into all that
>> historical details and comparisons. 30 years - who cares? Classic Heep spent
>> together only 6 and a half - but made almost all that is real Heep to me and
>> most of us. Music is all that matters, and this band has little if anything in
>> common with the classic Heep. Still I like the Outsider, but wouldn't go into
>> comparisons with Heep.
>Cheers, Igor
>
>
>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:44 -0500 от Bob
>> Winward < uriahheep at comcast.net >:
>>You can say what ever you want
>>It still
>> says Uriah Heep on the Outsider and not one of them is a cover.
>>Even in 1972,
>> it was not the same Heep that started in 1970. They had their
>>3rd bass player
>> and 5th? Drummer by then.  By 1977 they only had 2 original
>>members.  Mick
>> does have legal rights to the name, the band has evolved and
>>they continually
>> put out new music.  Some of this new music is as good as
>>the old stuff.
>> Between 2 Worlds is one of Heep’s geates songs that Hensley
>>did not pen.
>> Shaw and Lanzon will have 30 years in the band after next
>>year.
>>
>>Since they
>> continue to put out new music, we can celebrate what was, but
>>embrace what
>> is!
>>
>>
>>On 11/10/14 12:33 PM, "Igor Shveitser" <  zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob,
>>> I respect any opinion, but see it myself  from quite a
>> different angle: Phil
>>> Lanzon, Bernie Shaw, Russel Gilbrook, Davey Rimmer
>> plus Mick Box mostly play
>>> the songs, initially written and performed live
>> by Hensley, Byron, Box etc.. -
>>> I intentionally, on purpose, name the former
>> band members in the order of
>>> their contribution to the music of classic
>> Heep. The only similarity between
>>> the bands is the name plus the figure of
>> lead guitarist, who is, of course,
>>> still great and perhaps even better than
>> ever... but we all know it ain't
>>> enough to even come close to "that" Heep
>> from all points of view. And I
>>> wouldn't compare the two: this band, as I
>> stated many times before, has its
>>> own unique style; it shines, regarding
>> studio work, on the modern rock skies
>>> no worse than the legend did in the
>> 70-s.  But when it comes to live concerts,
>>> modern Heep, - perhaps, not
>> intentionally but still it's a fact - competes
>>> with that band playing live
>> the likes of Gypsy, July Morning etc. and, in my
>>> eyes loses in almost every
>> way. Having Lee and Trevor it was a bit different
>>> 'cause they knew better
>> how to play Heep music properly. Having Mr. Lawton on
>>> stage made it even
>> better - John is the singer, I tell ya' :))) Having said
>>> that, I still
>> enjoy the Outsider and would love to see it played live in all
>>> it entirety
>> while most of the classics should be left out for they truly do
>>> not belong
>> to this band and in their "reading" the songs are nothing but
>>> covers
>> really.
>>> Cheers, Igor
>>>
>>>
>>> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:07:12 -0500 от Bob
>> Winward <  uriahheep at comcast.net >:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not agree, a cover band,
>> covers the material of others.  Uriah Heep
>>>> continues to produce fresh new
>> vibrant music!!  They may not sound as great
>>>> as 70's Heep but they have
>> evolved and from what I see, Outsider is highly
>>>> enjoyed and accepted by
>> most fans.
>>>>
>>>> In contrast, you could take Styx, an oldies cover band who
>> plays old songs.
>>>> Their last cd was a cd of covers right?  No new
>> music.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob "All Heep is good Heep" Winward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On
>> 11/10/14 7:51 AM, "Igor Shveitser" <  zlenko_iv at mail.ru
>>>> <
>>  /compose?To=zlenko_iv at mail.ru > > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >   With him they finally
>> turned into what Heep became ages
>>>>> > ago - a very professional cover band
>> with one original member.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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