[Heeplist] Inside listening to Outsider

Thu Jun 12 09:15:24 EDT 2014

 Mac,
You are right, the lyrics are not for teenagers, but do they really jump at you when you listen to the MUSIC? I think, even a primitive, plain, straightforward poem can't spoil a great song, and Heep had quite a record at succeeding with those: Look At Yourself, Easy Livin' and many more. They also had great songs that are not as anthemic as the mentioned but with great lyrics: Circle Of Hands, One Way Or Another, The Park.... My point was about the music, its spirit, its arrangements. For me only the music lights the fire within... or it doesn't.
Cheers, Igor

Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:38:10 -0400 от Mac Steagall <rsteagall at carolina.rr.com>:
>I don't like Sweet Sugar but I love Mistress of All Times and Logical
>Progression. I certainly don't think the former two have any juvenile lyrics.
>T-Bird  Angel does fall in that category, however. There's  an occasional
>clunker.
>
>Mac
>
>At 07:55 PM 6/11/2014, you wrote:
>>I'm one of the few, along with Rick that love 
>>Sweet Sugar! Stan > On Jun 11, 2014, at 7:28 PM, 
>>Rick Wilson < rick.wilson.292768100 at gmail.com > 
>>wrote: > > I disagree.  "Sweet Sugar" is an 
>>excellent Rocker in the vein of a "Spider > 
>>Woman", "Blind Eye" or "Love Machine" from the 
>>classic line-ups. > > Rick > > > >> On Tue, Jun 
>>10, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Igor Shveitser 
>>< zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote: >> >> Mac, are you 
>>sure? Different world (1991) is full of that 
>>stuff, on the >> following albums I will easily 
>>find typical songs of the kind - Sweet >> sugar, 
>>is it not? Mistress of all time? Logical 
>>Progression? All of them >> have that 80-s poppy 
>>flavour, and I can easily pinpoint that approach 
>>in >> Phil's and Mick's songwriting up to this 
>>day in quite a lot of songs. I >> don't really 
>>mind because I grew up as a listener in the late 
>>80-s, but >> that is not "classic rock", it is 
>>quite unlike the way Heep made music in >> the 
>>early-mid 70-s. Plus, when you have a North 
>>American frontman and you >> play "hard rock" 
>>(or what they call it) chances of sounding a bit 
>>glamish >> (like it was in the 80-s) are not 
>>that slim at all. And that is what >> current 
>>Heep are to me when they play the likes of 
>>T-Bird Angel or Golden >> Palace, or anything of 
>>that "ballsless" stuff. On the other hand, they 
>>are >> real heavy rock to me when they do the 
>>likes of The Outsider or The Law. >> Hope you 
>>understand what I mean. >> Cheers, Igor >> >> >> 
>>Tue, 10 Jun 2014 07:33:45 -0400 Ð¾Ñ‚ Mac 
>>Steagall < rsteagall at carolina.rr.com >>> : >>> 
>>No, not at all. This is atypical for post 
>>80s >>> Heep.  Bon Jovi has nothing to do with 
>>present day Heep. >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> At 05:10 
>>AM 6/10/2014, you wrote: >>>> When you have a 
>>band born in that era you >>>> can't be serious 
>>expecting anything different. >>>> That 
>>leppardish/bonjovish kind of thing was >>>> 
>>typical and to some extent still is if we 
>>talk >>>> that genre. We must be grateful that 
>>Mick and >>>> Phil made a move forward at least 
>>musically. >>>> :)))) Cheers, Igor Mon, 09 Jun 
>>2014 21:21:59 >>>> -0400 ÃÂ¾Ã‘‚ Mac 
>>Steagall >>>> < 
>>rsteagall at carolina.rr..com >: >Yes, I think 
>>this >>>> is the weakest song on the >album. The 
>>music is >>>> pretty strong but the lyrics >are 
>>a bit >>>> juvenile... a little to 80s for >>>> 
>>me. > >Mac > >At 05:16 PM 6/9/2014, you >>>> 
>>wrote: > >>Rock the Foundation, Who is 
>>Baby? >>>> Celestina?  This is about a girl, 
>>sort >>>> of >>like the skater in Cry 
>>Freedom.  Another >>>> strong performance from 
>>Davey, but >>overall, >>>> the least inspiring 
>>song for me on the cd.  I >>>> wonÃ‚Â¹t say it 
>>is a >>clunker, it is on par with >>>> WTS 
>>lighter songs and hasnÃ‚Â¹t done much for 
>>me >>>> yet >>except evoke curiosity as to who 
>>is >>>> singing Celestina in the >>>> 
>>background >> >> >>Baby is Celestine who 
>>has >>>> just had her eyes opened and got a 
>>new >>>> realisation >>on how Government really 
>>works in >>>> secret and so is just like a new 
>>born baby >>in >>>> her innocence. Now this 
>>innocent baby is going >>>> to use that 
>>knowledge to >>rock the >>>> establishment's 
>>foundation. >> >>Well that's my >>>> I 
>>interpretation of the imagery it invokes in >>>> 
>>my head >>>> 
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