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Wed Nov 13 16:52:18 EST 2013

 I join Shawn on this one, Claudia. However, I must admit censorship is not the so-called "Communist" regimes prerogative, and people in so-called "free" countries sometimes can't even imagine how biased is the information given to them by their respective mass media. And they don't have to block anything since generally the Western people hardly learn other languages and are easily made believe about anything they don't really care for. Like, for instance, bears in the streets of Moscow, vodka being drunken from samovars, the empire of evil, the necessity of bringing "Western democracy" to the rest of the world etc. No offence, just my experience from communicating with the English-speaking foreigners. Talking of China, I think it is a rather hypocrythical country: yes, they have the CPC at helm, but all their policy is about building a highly industrial capitalist empire which will be a real threat for the civilization in the very near future since the economical and technological potential is high but the people are poor and resources are few. And it is the rather poor East, with its special mentality, the value of human life there is much less than even in my native country which, in relation to the "civilized" world, hardly can boast the same level of respect to any personality. Still, while in Russia, Claudia wasn't harmed in any way, while in China it is sadly much different. Hope it all be sorted out and in the end you will recall only the good about your Eastern trip.
Take care, Igor

Среда, 13 ноября 2013, 10:13 -06:00 от Shawn Mctopy <shawn.mctopy at selu.edu>:
>Claudia,
>
>Sad to read about your misfortunes in *China*, Claudia.
>
>A real sin and shame it is!
>
>:(
>
>*China* may block and/or censor web access, because the government in
>*China* believes *Western* influences *(like Rock Music, etc. ...)* are a
>corrupting factor to their citizens *(?)*.
>
>Communist regimes have a history of censoring information available to
>their citizens, as a type of control. This is the reason I reckon that
>*China* may block web/internet access.
>
>
>Please take care, and be careful & cautious while on your world traveling
>excursions.
>
>Here's to hoping that these misfortunes are over for you, and that the rest
>of your traveling adventures are nice, safe, pleasant, and very enjoyable!
>
>Once more, take care & best of wishes to you, Claudia.
>
>
>
>*Shawn (Louisiana) -*
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Richard Pascoe < r.pascoe at telia.com > wrote:
>
>>
>> Claudia - sad to hear your dream-holiday is turning into your worst
>> nightmare....
>>
>> Good Luck
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Heeplist [mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com] Im Auftrag
>> von Cláudia Leão
>> Gesendet: den 13 november 2013 09:24
>> An: Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
>> Betreff: Re: [Heeplist] (no subject)
>>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> I can't ask all my family and friends to join me on Weibo, I NEED to
>> connect to FB. I don't have a phone so the only way I have to keep in
>> touch with my relatives is through it. And The Great Firewall is also
>> blocking access to my wordpress blog.
>>
>> About the people I've mentioned that never heard about the Beatles -
>> they were not teenagers, they were around my age, on their 40s.
>>
>> I'm getting crazy here. After 8 months traveling peacefully, in two days
>> in China I was already ripped off four times (even in a convenience
>> store) and yesterday I was victim of a scam and I lost almost 2000
>> dollars. When I asked for help to the hotel's concierge to call the
>> police he told me that that would be a waste of time since I can't PROVE
>> what happened and I can't identify the ladies who stole me.
>>
>> I've been dreaming about visiting China since I started practicing kung
>> fu more than 10 years ago, I was expecting that this would be the most
>> wonderful part of my journey but today I feel miserable. I've spent the
>> entire morning crying and I just don't wanna leave the hotel room.
>> Do you know how it is to be 100% by yourself, without a connection with
>> relatives and friends, and having to learn that you should not trust
>> people...?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Claudia
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:12 PM, "Rick Wilson" < futureprimitive1 at gmail.com >
>> wrote:
>>
>> "
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Thanks for these videos Shawn!! Unfortunately here in China the access
>> to YouTube, Facebook, Google, Skype is blocked...  (The Great
>> Firewall!!) I'm trying to set up a VPN to cheat this prohibition and
>> hopefully I'll be able to watch them soon! Can you believe that because
>> of this stupid firewall the average Chinese people have no idea how The
>> BEATLES or The ROLLING STONES look like?!? Yesterday I went to a Karaoke
>> house and they do have a few Beatles' songs in their library, but
>> performed by chinese artists... Crazy!!! Cheers! Claudia*"
>>
>> Excuse me, Claudia, but I have a bit of a problem with misinformation.
>> I have lived in China for nearly nine years now, and I use Google and
>> Skype daily without the use of a VPN service.  China has their very own
>> versions of YOUTube and Facebook, so do not need the xenophobic American
>> versions.  www.youku.com/ is the Chinese version of YOUTube, and there
>> are no songs that are banned there, unlike in the West.  www.weibo.com/
>> is the Chinese version of Facebook, where any and every citizen of China
>> and the rest of the world are free to post tweets, etc. any time they
>> like with some censorship or common sense (no nudity), but with no
>> flaming or banning because they are Chinese unlike in the West.  Hell,
>> it took eight years for the guys here at the list to actually accept
>> that I was an American living in China and not Chinese to accept me
>> here!  Yes, there are many cover versions of songs in the karaoke clubs,
>> usually Russian or from Hong Kong, but any KTV, as the Chinese call
>> them, has a wide selection of Western music to choose from.  I have
>> sang, or tried to sing many a "Uriah Heep" song as well as tunes by
>> "Metallica" and even "Slayer" (Much to the chagrin and shock of my
>> Chinese students, I may add!  lol), all by the original artists
>> uncensored.  Ask anyone today who is a teenager in Brazil, the U.S. or
>> even in the U.K. who the "Beatles" and "Stones" are or what they look
>> like, and YOU will get many a strange stare, not just in China.  One of
>> my current students often wears a "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club
>> Band" t-shirt to class, so I am quite certain that she knows who they
>> are and what they look like; and, most any student of English can sing
>> "Hey, Jude!", "Yesterday" or "Let It Be".  Try to remember that China
>> has 1.6 billion people, there is more of everything here, and one cannot
>> judge a country with a population so large on the reactions of one or
>> two people. Lastly, I in no way wish to defend the Great Chinese
>> Firewall, but they only wish to weed out sites that are harmful to the
>> health of their citizens.  Yes, that is censorship, and, yes, that is
>> not something that I would condone, however, when I see television shows
>> like "Drugs, Inc.", and I see how drugs are controlling the lives of
>> thousands of Americans, then perhaps a bit of self-censorship on the
>> part of our government wouldn't hurt at all.  True freedom is not being
>> able to do anything that YOU want anytime, but it is being able to have
>> the means to ensure that all of us can enjoy life to the fullest aka the
>> pursuit of happiness.  Please, remember that before spreading
>> misinformation to others who have no idea. Thank YOU, kindly!
>>
>> Rick
>> [?]
>>
>>
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