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An Exclusive Interview With Guitarist / Composer IAIN ASHLEY HERSEY Iain Ashley Hersey is a guitar player / songwriter who has been in the business for years, and throughout has played alongside some pretty impressive names [as you'll read here]. More recently he appeared on Stuart Smith's album "Heaven & Hell" - which I really liked, so Iain's name stood out when I found out he had his own album out too. "Fallen Angel" is a very strong [and highly recommended!] hard rock disc, covering Iain's classic rock influences [nice use of the hammond organ in places too!], straight ahead HR, and fusion. Fallen Angel features the lead off track "License To Kill" [preceded by a cool intro borrowed slightly from the Bond movie], which is a fast rocker with a somewhat European metal feel. Tracks like "Goin Down And Dirty" and "Distant Memories" are 2 cool melodic rockers, with a more , err , 80s feel to them [see buddy Kelly Hansen's band Hurricane]. "Over My Head" and "Hold On" are 2 more cool rockers; the former being more in the classic rock mold [with Pat Regan's hammond, Mike Stone's vocals, and the brilliant mid song solo], and the latter being a straight ahead heavy commercial rocker featuring the unique voice of Paul Shortino. The center-piece of Fallen Angel though is the blues/classic rock of "No Stranger". It's got a great feel to it, and both Hersey and Stone shine on this one. Fallen Angel is rounded out by a few other decent rockers, and various instrumental pieces placed throughout the disc - where Hersey tries more blues and fusion approaches [and these being the only spots where the pace actually slows up, 'cause this is pretty loaded with rockers].
Mentions must go to the strong singers Hersey used here - mainly Mike Stone and Dante Marchi [Paul Shortino does 1 track], and the rhythm section of Marv Sperling and Jimmy Griego - who's drums really are a big part of the sound and drive plenty of the rockers powerfully.
Anyway, for more on Iain Ashley Hersey, and how to purchase his debut solo disc "Fallen Angel" - check out his site www.iainashleyhersey.com or snail mail him at Special thanks to Iain for answering all my questions via e-mail! :-) Read on for all the details on Iain's career, influences, and the making of his solo disc "Fallen Angel" ! KJ: When and how did you first get into guitar? IAH: When I was about twelve. I hate to admit it now, but I used to watch the Monkey's TV show and consequently bugged my mom until she set me up with lessons. Why the Monkeys, I really don't know? I was very young and apparently they got through to me, I'd heard the Beatles and the Stones, but didn't really get what they were about. What is really funny, is that they weren't even a real band, though at the time I did not know this.
KJ: Who were your earliest favorite bands, musicians, guitar players? [any reasons, stories...] I was completely was absorbed with the 'Super Session' Album, in fact it's still one of my favorites. Johnny Winter was some else I got into. Next was the British Rock Blues Invasion. John Mayall and the Blues Breakers, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Jeff Beck and the New York band Mountain. So you can see I was gravitating towards the heavier, bluesy, bands. The next turning point was Deep Purple. I first heard "In Rock", and was a little unsure of what to think. It was a bit strange to me, I thought the vocals were just odd. Eventually, I think about the time "Fireball" came out, I became a complete Purple junkie. I would learn the guitar solos note for note for the entire album. Keep in mind, that this was before they had transcriptions of solos available! I was pretty much into this mode right up until, I believe the second Rainbow album came out "Rainbow Rising". I was also starting to become aware of the complexities of jazz , and I wanted to expand as a player. I guess I felt at this point, as much as I admired his style, that I'd learned as much as I could from Blackmore. This is when I moved to Boston, started attending Berklee, and getting more into Jazz.
KJ: What were your earliest bands like? Covers? [If so, of what?] Any early recordings? Right after High School, I moved to another town to start a band with this great drummer I had met. I also dragged along a couple of the guys, and with the addition of a couple of other guys from yet another town formed a band. At this point we were very much into progressive rock ala ELP as well as Purple and ZZ Top. Quite a combination! At this point we were pretty much playing statewide. Anyway, we approached a local booking agent for gigs; who in turn offered us a spec deal in their 24-track studio. Unfortunately, the project was never completely finished, so we never got copy of what we did, and the Production Company being on a tight budget, to the best of my knowledge, reused the original 2" tapes. Those would of been nice to have, just for the nostalgia. I do have some of the songs on a tape that we recorded live in the drummers basement, but I also know that some our best material is not on it... oh well!
KJ: You got into Jazz at school? Are you still a jazz fan? And how/why did you get back into rock n roll after that? To become a real jazz player I realized that I was going to have to dedicate my life to it. So I suppose, I was at the crossroad. Did I really love jazz that much to dedicate myself to it, or was my interest in it more for the challenge of it. Did it really speak to me emotionally the way that 'heavy rock and roll and blues' did. I also did not want to be a 'jack of all trades, master of none,' so why not master and follow what was musically in my heart. Who knows[!?], if I'd pursued the jazz I may have turned out like Pat Metheny, who had just started teaching at Berklee at this time.
KJ: What sort of stuff did you do prior to landing in LA? [err, why LA?] He had been the original vocalist in the band "Steele Breeze" as well as in Jeff Watson's band before 'Night Ranger'. Eric Martin now of Mr. Big was also working around the area with his band, so there was a lot going on in that area at that time. I came out, and we put together a cover band playing all the popular current rock material and were working all over the Northern Cal circuit. We did manage to write some original material, and tracked several tunes with Ian Samwell, a British producer, who managed to get the band Bourgeois Tagg a deal with Island Records. We attracted some interest, but the vocalist had flown the coupe. Knowbody knew what had become of him and unfortunately at the time we were dependent on the band for our livelihood. A very good hustler, this guy always seemed to have a knack for bringing in an dubious outside element, some questionable characters to say the least. This almost resulted in the drummer and myself getting 'knocked off.' Having pulled a similar stunt to, lets just call him, an "investor," whom being very unhappy at not being able to locate this guy, sent his people around to where the drummer and I were staying to take care of business. That was a scary night! Anyway through the grapevine it was learned that this guy had hooked up with some other "investors" in Vegas, and was putting something else together without us and apparently on the strength of the tape we had done. Gigs had to be canceled and without an income, and not wanting to stay any more in Sacramento, things had to be re-evaluated. I had met one person that was moving to LA to go to Musician's Institute. I didn't really want to go to another music school, but it was a vehicle to get me out of the situation, as the grant and student loan money would help me get set up in LA. And, who knows, perhaps after a year there... I might be able to score a teaching gig, which I did. I had been in LA before, and never was crazy about it, as I have much more of an east coast mentality. So why LA this time? Well I didn't feel ready to go back east, so at the time, it seemed the best means to and end
KJ: What can you tell me about you associations/work with the following>> Bobby Kimball, Jeff Pocarao, Keith Emerson, Paul Shortino, Ray Gillen, Tim Bogart, JL Turner [anything other than Stuart Smith?] Glenn Hughes, [other than Stuart Smith!?] Doame Perry? Bobby Kimball I got to know through drummer Jimmy Griego, with whom I had worked a lot, and was now working with Bobby. I came very close to being in the band a couple of times. The first time I was supposed to try out, I had learned all the material and was waiting for Bobby to say when. Nobody had any idea when he would set up the auditions, or if at all. During this waiting period, I suddenly came down with this incredible fever that lasted for almost two weeks, and I rarely get sick. When Bobby finally did call, he wanted me to come down that evening. I couldn't even lift my head up, let along pick up a guitar, play or sing. Not wanting to wait, he hired someone else. The other time, it was more of a political issue and band member politics. The - "I got the biggest stick, so where going to check out my guy!" type of thing. It's funny though, because I did manage to get Jim Austin the keyboardist into the band. Consequently, I've sat in with them a number of times. Actually, now that I think about it, I also got drummer Richie Onori into the band after Jimmy left! Hey guys, how about returning the favor!? Incidentally, Bobby came very close to doing a guest track on this CD. There were financial considerations as well as logistic problems due to him living in Louisiana, plus as much as I loved his voice, I wasn't sure if he would blend stylistically with the other vocalist that I had. Emerson, I jammed with at parties, rehearsals, sound checks and played an encore with when he was working with Stuart Smith in the band they had called "Aliens of Extraordinary Ability." He also sat in with us at the Baked Potato, when I was working with Paul Shortino. Ray Gillan, just before he died, showed up at one a gig I was doing and asked to sit in with us. The other guys in the band had no clue who he was and weren't particularly interested. I'd met Ray a number of times before, so we were familiar with each other. Obviously, I insisted that we let him join us. In regards to Tim Bogart and Doame Perry, drummer with Jethro Tull, we did some seminars and concerts together at MI back when I was teaching there. Paul Shortino and I actually had a band together and played around LA quite a bit, one of these of which Emerson, as I've previously mentioned, joined us.
KJ: How did you get involved with Stuart Smith? You're only credited with 1[?] track on Stuart's album "Road to Melnibone'] - what can you tell me about your involvement on this track?
KJ: Have you done anything else with Stuart? Any plans in the future?
KJ: When did you get the idea/plan to do a solo album? What is the time-frame of it's writing and recording? As far as the time-frame, you must keep in mind that this was done in different stages and times. The older tracks were written and recorded around ten years ago when I was playing around LA with my band Outcaste. I had initially finished these songs up as an EP cassette and was basically using it as a demo, more as a means to an end than anything else. For the next phase, several years ago, I re-entered the studio with some current material that I had just finished writing. After the basic tracks were recorded there were set backs as far as finishing up the over-dubs and finding some one to actually do the mixes. Keep in mind now that I had been sending tapes off to Japan since phase one, where I had been receiving expressed interest. With this next set of tunes finished, I again sent them off to Japan, this time they replied back saying that they were interested in a deal. I was concerned about releasing some of the older stuff, and offered them the more recent material, to which they responded that they wanted to include all of it. Long story short, it helped me decide what to do with the older material. The next step was to configure it in a way that it all worked together, flowed and was cohesive as a whole. Realistically, it should be two separate CDs, which I've debated, but I've had great response on all of it. Some people like certain aspects of it, such as the heavier more high tech stuff, while others are draw to the moody, bluesier material. Myself, I enjoyed all of it. I feel a song should stand on its own merits regardless of when it was written. So due to financial and time issues, I have to decided to have the re-release include what was released in Japan, with the exception of one song which is a Japanese bonus track. It will also be repackaged with new artwork.
KJ: You wrote all the tracks on your album-what can you tell me about the writing? When these came about? Are any from previous bands? Any inspirations? Unless there are significant differences from the original version, it is not writing but arranging. If on the other hand a song was conceived and put together as a group effort or a vital musical part was added by somebody that makes the song tangibly different and could be considered a integral part, than I would consider this shared writing. With that having been said, these songs were written at different times and mentally in different places. A lot of these songs were written in my band Outcaste, which was the precursor for this CD. Some of the material, such as the instrumental stuff was written at the time we were in the studio recording. I've always been writing, but there is only so far back that I like to draw upon, as I prefer to have the material somewhat more reflective of where I am currently at. Some of the material on this CD I might not have chosen to include, as I felt it may be a bit dated or not current, but AVEX, the Japanese label, wanted to use all the material that I had presented to them. As far as inspiration, essentially I write what I feel and want to express, and lyrically what I know and relate to. |
KJ: You also borrowed the James Bond theme songs. Where did this idea come from? I take it you're a Bond fan? IAH: Well our opening number for the live show was "License to Kill", which is a very high energy tune. I thought that it would be very cool to start with something more moody and slow, and then break into the up tempo opening tune. The James Bond Theme just seemed very apropos, as it was moody and haunting, and also opens up a place for me to improvise in a very free form approach. Plus License to Kill lyrically was about a James Bond type character. I re-used the 'Bond Theme' as an intro to "No Stranger", which I thought not only sounded cool, but also thought would tie the CD together with a re-occurring theme. You do not know what I had to go through to get permission to use limited amount of this music, about 40 seconds, in a free form style no less, for and over an hour's worth of otherwise original material. Let's just say, it almost ended up on the cutting room floor. As far as being a Bond fan, no not really. I enjoyed the first movies as a kid, and will watch the new ones as they come out, but it was more that I thought the music would complement what I was doing. The theme music is great, and really sets up a mood with the haunting minor/major tonalities that Monty Norman used. It also reminded me a lot of the way I like to play with different modes and textures. I quite often will play with different tonalities at the same time, such as using a major seventh interval over a minor chord to build tension and than resolving to a minor seventh interval to create release.
KJ: "Fallen Angel" has a good cross-section of blues-rock, classic rock with a bit of commercial appeal, fusion-instrumentals. Did you have a vision of how you wanted the album to sound? And what sort of rock fans would you recommend this to? Start with a very intense and strong beginning to capture your attention, which slowly eases down and then starts to builds it self up for the big finale at the end. Just when you think its over you get this reflective epilogue, which makes you sit and contemplate what you've just experienced, and perhaps put things into perspective. I don't know about you, but when I've just seen a movie that really had an effect on me, I'm ready to see it again. So by ending with something moody and reflective and opening up the same way, for me tended to compete the circle and subtly segue back to the beginning, if you wanted to experience it all over again. I've worked very hard at incorporating a lot of elements into this, everything from high energy technical stuff, dark, grungy, bluesy riffs and atmospheric moody pieces, with a taste of some fusion-istic solos, while still trying to retain my own identity. So I would recommend it for all and let them make their own call. I would definitely call it dark, heavy with a bluesy edge, moody, atmospheric but still melodic.
KJ: What can you tell me about the singers you used on your album>>Mike Stone, Paul Shortino [ex of Quit Riot]. Dante Marchi?? {Other bands they were in, worked with, how you were familiar...!] I also know he did some vocal tracks for Paul Stanley, went on the road with Peter Criss, and got a deal with Mercury with his own band "Clover". I believe that he now has his own solo album out, and that it is available on Amazon.com. Paul, I actually had been working with here in LA. We would have Stuart Smith, Howard Leese, and sometimes Glenn Hughes come down to help us out. Getting Paul involved on the CD, was a bit more of an after thought, but there was a loose, improvising and bluesy style that he had, and there was one song I felt that he could do justice to. Mike had already done a stellar performance on it, but it just felt a bit stiff ...dated, which I have to take the credit for as I asked Mike to sing it exactly the way that I had written it, which he did. So with myself not feeling objective enough, being too close to the song as the writer, I basically stood back as only the mediator and let Pat Regan take the controls. With his the input/ guidance and my final approval we re-did "Hold On" and ended up with a much more modern version and delivery of the song. Paul has been in Rough Cutt, I remember seeing him open up for DIO in the mid '80s, he was in a version of Quiet Riot. He has just released a new CD, and recently working with former Aerosmith guitarist Jimmy Crespo. Dante I heard singing at a club in Santa Monica. I just loved his voice, and really wanted to have him do some tracks. He was a bit reluctant as he was into and considered himself an R&B singer. I managed to convince him to give it a try, and with a little bit of coaching on the parts of Joe Seta, the producer/engineer, and myself, I feel we got some great stuff out of him. Even though stylistically it was not his arena, he should be proud of what he did as it showcases him as world class in that genre as well. I'm not too sure of previous bands, but I do know that he has been involved in studio work, you can hear him at the end of the movie "Erasier". A song he did with Trevor Rabin. He's also did some work with former DIO keyboardist Claude Schnell. He does have his own band under his own name that regularly plays around LA. They essentially play R&B and funk material, but if ones in LA, I highly recommend that you check him out, you won't be disappointed.
KJ: How come you did you did not handle any vocals yourself?
KJ: What can you tell me about the other musicians Fallen Angel>> Jimmy Griego, Dave Sutton, Marvin Sperling...?? Dave Sutton, I met at MI when he was in a rhythm section I was given for this seminar I was giving there. I loved his bottom end, sound and grove, so I inlisted him to do the initial basic tracks. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, he soon got inlisted with The Rembrants, Tears for Fears and Ben Harper, so when phase two started and Dave out on the road, I had to look elsewhere. Marvin I met through a female vocalist that I knew who was using him for some gigs she was doing. I really liked the way he sounded, so got him involved in phase two of the project. After the fact, we actually ended up playing together with Paul Shortino.
KJ: Was Stuart Smith involved at all in the making on "Fallen Angel", as far as helping with ideas, suggestions, etc..?
KJ: What can you tell me about some of the songs on "Fallen Angel"> any favorites, stories behind particular tracks, etc,...??
KJ: Where do you draw your lyrical ideas from?
KJ: "Fallen Angel" is being re-issued!? Where and when is it available? What promo plans are in the works and labels you're dealing with?
You can also get free down loads on the Artist Underground site www.aumusic.com.
As far as when, it should have been ready a month ago, but due to repackaging it, there have been unforeseen delays. I know people keep asking and they keep hearing me say, "it should be in a several weeks." Well if everything goes well, which it does look like as all the new artwork is now finished, I would say a month on the outside.
As far as labels go, the biggies are mostly interested in what is currently in vogue, which I think we can safely say is not what I'm doing. They're also a bit scary as they could encapsulate you to the point that you could always be in debt to them. The smaller independents, that would have interest in this, the ones I've dealt with anyway, can't seem to get it together. Either they are unwilling to invest the small amount to license it, or one after starting negotiations and presenting an offer, and me countering with a few subtle amendments, apparently weren't even professional enough to get back to me. You'd think that there would be a middle ground between the majors and the small independents.
So at this point, I'm just going to put it out myself.
KJ: Are there any plans to put together a touring band [whom would it include?] and where / when will you be touring?
KJ: How has response been to the album in Japan where it was originally issued? How has response been from various press and fans overall?
KJ: So you have plans to record another in the future? Anything different or ideas you'd like to try?
KJ: What other projects are you currently involved in? [ie>any bands, albums...are you involved in Stuart's new album at all?]
KJ: What sort of interests do you have outside of recording and/ or music?
KJ: Can you give a few of your favorite all-time albums? Bands? And guitarists?
As far as bands, Deep Purple, Mountain, Bad Company, ZZ Top, Emerson Lake and Palmer,
Guitar players: Scott Henderson, Alan Holdsworth, John Scofield, Jeff Beck, Ritchie Blackmore, David Gilmore & Billy Gibbons
I would think it only fair to include my favorite vocalist, which I am more into; Ronnie James Dio, Joe Lynn Turner, Glenn Hughes, Paul Rogers, Eric Martin, Mickey Thomas, Bobby Kimball, Steve Walsh, Tony Martin, Ian Gillan, & Ray Gillan.
KJ: You mentioned being influenced by the likes of Deep Purple, Zeppelin... are you familiar with Uriah Heep? Ever a fan, influenced by, or cross paths with them? |
Interview written and conducted by Kevin J. Julie, August 2000.
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