[Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument

Grace Clarke bolan77 at rocketmail.com
Mon Mar 9 17:36:38 EDT 2015 

Dale, you are so right. Thanks for adding that perspective to this thread. I've been reading along as everyone posts their opinions, agreeing and disagreeing with different people but really enjoying this debate at the same time. Heep fans are the greatest and it really shows off our maturity as a fan base to be able to just accept other people's opinions about the band, even when we don't agree. Not many fan bases are like that! 
It can't be an age thing either as I'm 19 and I know many other younger fans are out there too. Personally, I love all Uriah Heep eras. The Byron era being my favourite and the Pete Goalby efforts possibly at the bottom of my hierarchy but still brilliant. 
We are humble fans of a humble band! 

Love to all,
Grace Clarke
xXx


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> On 9 Mar 2015, at 21:27, Dale Fredericks <dalhel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Wow ! This thread has been the best thing to happen to this list since 1997, when I first got on it. One thing that has been proven by these posts…………we all seem to love Uriah Heep in one form or another and that each person can relate to a certain lineup or album depending on when they were born and when they first heard Heep.
> We all seem to be happy that Heep is still around putting out quality music, and that is what this list is all about. Otherwise it would be known as some other band’s mailing list. I guess with all the different opinions being posted by everyone, it only shows how passionate we all are about the group and music in general.
> 
> Uriah Heep Forever !!!!
> 
> Dale :-)>
> 
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Terje Pedersen <terjped at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Amen
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Heeplist [mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 5:53 PM
>> To: Knut Svendsen; Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] The Age Old Heep List Argument
>> 
>> Absolutely! I could sign under every word written here by Knut! :))) Hope this message will be heard and undersood properly, unlike most of mine :)))) Cheers Knut!
>> Best regards, Igor
>> 
>> 
>> Понедельник, 09 марта 2015, 17:25 +01:00 от Knut Svendsen <knutsvendsen at me.com>:
>>> And not only that, a band is a personal thing. David Byron started the band with Mick Box, and with Ken Hensley they made it Uriah Heep. That was the nucleus of the band. Most fans chose to leave Heep when Byron left; I chose to stay. Personally, I don´t need to hear another version of Easy Livin´or Lady in Black. I prefer Bernie and Phil when they play their own songs, and wish they would concentrate on the new material. If they want to play Gypsy or Look at Yourself in the extras, that´s fine, but without the artist that wrote the song and the lyrics it will never provide the musical experience we crave. Perhaps Mick Box owns the name, but I couldn´t care less. I want the ´new´Heep to present their own creative vision, not what David and Ken created in the 1970´s. Music is art, not friggin´sports. 
>>> 
>>> All the best, and enjoy the shows!
>>> 
>>> Knut
>>> 
>>>> On 09 Mar 2015, at 14:53, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> It is not about sports, these parallels seem highly incorrect, it's about what you consider art and what do you prefer, what (and why) you love. No one I know starts it with "Back in my days... when I was young..." etc., they just rate David Byron as an outstanding singer and performer no matter how long has he been out of the band or even dead. Can you say the same about Bernie? Or Goalby? Or Sloman? I think only John Lawton has a comparable level of magic. But it's about tastes really, they do differ as a matter of fact.
>>>> Cheers, Igor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Воскресенье, 08 марта 2015, 20:24 -05:00 от "Scott Manion" < scottmanion at earthlink.net >:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I met a guy at the Milwaukee show and his first words to me were "It's just not the same without Byron."  I stifled a laugh.
>>>>> I asked him if he knew when Byron left the band.  He wasn't sure.
>>>>> I told him 1976...and next year will mark the 40th anniversary of David Byron NOT being in Uriah Heep.
>>>>> 
>>>>> These arguments about the olden days are as relevant as watching old 
>>>>> re-runs of your favorite sports team back in the 70's and endlessly 
>>>>> arguing that nobody will ever be better than the 1976 New York 
>>>>> Yankees!  (I don't even know if they were good that year but you can 
>>>>> get the idea.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with Doug.  Teams get new players.  And though I might 'long to be in the stadium' when Babe Ruth (American Baseball Icon from the 30's) hits one out of the park, I can still enjoy baseball now without feeling that it's an injustice that others have filled Babe's shoes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mick Box has been true to his fans for 5 decades, getting new players to keep the team together.
>>>>> Every year this band continues to tour the world and put out music is a cause for celebration. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only thing missing from a lot of these posts is the phrase  "Back in my day...." 
>>>>> I'm certain we all have the ability to accept and tolerate change!  Especially with a band that has been around for 45 years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Douglas Devers
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 7:30 PM
>>>>> To: Igor Shveitser; Heepsters Mailing List (Travellers in Time)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Live shows
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, Bernie DOES have the advantage of  not being dead...
>>>>> 
>>>>> dgd
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sunday, March 8, 2015 2:30 PM, Igor Shveitser <  zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> And what about the geezers not so old who have no particular memories connected with the band, never seen any classic Heep live but heard a lot, know all about all the line ups and still choose the one with the original singer as well as the one with JL? Most of hard rock lovers I know personally (actually all of them) definitely belong to this category - and you can't take that away, that surely means something, it ain't just nostalgia, gentlemen.
>>>>> P.S. The one who prefers Bernie Shaw to David obviously haven't noticed what made David one of the finest singers that  have ever emerged during the best days of rock.  As for Bernie... well, he's good at what he does, but if you see his era as a preferable one, I am afraid you've already missed the whole world that was there before and which made it possible for the current line-up to make ends meet after all these years. Please, take no offence, but certain things are really hard to understand unless you were born in 199-something and grew up listening to modern Heep.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Воскресенье, 08 марта 2015, 9:13 -07:00 от Dale Fredericks <  dalhel at sbcglobal.net >:
>>>>>> I agree Dave. Us old geezers have to have something to hold on to from the past !
>>>>>> I just am so grateful we were able to see David, Gary, Ken, Lee and Mick together and the memories of that classic time of Heep music.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dale :-)>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2015, at 9:03 AM, DAVID M SHERROD <  porcupineheep at cox.net > wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think what many need to remember is there's a lot of fans in 
>>>>>>> fact more at the shows that don't remember Heep from the 70s but 
>>>>>>> from the 80s, those of us that remember the classic lineup are 
>>>>>>> fewer and fewer every year. My wife is one that can't understand 
>>>>>>> what anyone sees in David Byron, and things anything with Bernie 
>>>>>>> or John Lawton is far better than anything with David, not that 
>>>>>>> she doesn't like him, she thinks he's ok just not great, she also 
>>>>>>> thinks from the 90s on they are far better than any time before 
>>>>>>> that, and she was around and even saw the classic lineup. She's 
>>>>>>> not the only one I've known or talked to that feels this way, 
>>>>>>> though when I meet older people that remember Heep seem to think 
>>>>>>> they stopped playing after High and Mighty, and never knew they 
>>>>>>> have always been around. And at least two people I meet in the 
>>>>>>> last month were excited to hear they were playing in any format 
>>>>>>> and both said they are going to the show here after I told them
>>>>> about it. Dave S
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