[Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory

Kevin Milanowski 11scorpio06 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 2 20:21:00 EST 2015 

Another Kevin here I was wondering the very same thing... I've heard him do
that on a couple of their live CDs and it's odd that the band has never
corrected him on those errors
On Mar 2, 2015 7:09 PM, "Kevin Julie" <kevinj.1969 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> why as no one corrected Bernie on both song's dates?
>
>      On Monday, March 2, 2015 2:07 PM, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru>
> wrote:
>
>
>   Dale,
> In general I tend to agree with you on all points except one: I personally
> do care who's who (and that never is as simple as "good" or "bad"), and I
> dig rather deep into that, we have such a tendency here in Russia. :))))
> Cheers, Igor
>
>
> Понедельник, 02 марта 2015, 9:14 -08:00 от Dale Fredericks <
> dalhel at sbcglobal.net>:
> >Igor,
> >That is what I'm referring to.......who cares who the "bad guys" or the
> "good guys" are ?
> >I am more interested in the music and what each line up had to offer
> despite any internal friction that was going on. I'm glad you realize where
> my head is on this subject. Let's just be happy that despite any
> differences that the members had with each other, that the music was the
> glue that kept Uriah Heep together all of these years.
> >
> >Dale :-)>
> >
> >Sent from my iPad
> >
> >On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:59 AM, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Dale,
> >>Is there a particular problem with the subject? I hope no one felt
> offended anyway, I just notice that sometimes justice must be done that's
> why I might sound a bit unconventional to a Heep lover who thinks he knows
> for sure who is who, who are "the bad guys", and who are the "good" ones.
> But yes, music, especially classic, is way more valuable than that.
> >>Cheers, Igor
> >>
> >>
> >>Воскресенье, 01 марта 2015, 19:12 -08:00 от Dale Fredericks <
> dalhel at sbcglobal.net >:
> >>>Why can't we all just listen to the music and not argue about who hated
> who and whether they continously talk about past members ??
> >>>So many more pleasant things to talk about where Heep is involved.
> >>>
> >>>Dale
> >>>
> >>>Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 4:17 AM, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru >
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Pete,
> >>>> I didn't say he "should always be on about... etc." First of all,
> speaking of classic Heep, Trevor was never a part of it so he doesn't
> belong to that list. Then, secondly, I think, when you play other people's
> songs you might praise them as often as possible because it is a) just nice
> and shows your respect b) kind of makes you bigger in the eyes of the most
> devoted fans who really care for the past. And if not for the past, this
> band would've never make it not only into the year 2015, but even into the
> 80-s. That is plain and natural gratitude that should be expressed.
> Especially to Ken and David, regardless of who and when acted like an
> arsehole :))) And I hope you understand, Pete, that in all decisions
> regarding personnel taken by the band there is a collective approach and,
> respectively, responsibility, not an individual one.
> >>>> Cheers, Igor
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Воскресенье, 01 марта 2015, 12:00 UTC от "Pete Wharton" <
> heeplistpete at ntlworld.com >:
> >>>>> Sorry Igor, I really don't understand why you think Mick should
> always be on about David & Gary and Trevor? I'm sure he knows dates and
> misses his mates, especially David. Sure Ken can mention them and say nice
> things, he's got a lot of time being an arsehole to make up on. You know
> Ken admitted at HV2K that John got fired because of drug usage - Ken's that
> is - and admitted to not being a nice person at the time?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pete
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Heeplist [ mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com ] On
> Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
> >>>>> Sent: 01 March 2015 11:09
> >>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Hi Bob,
> >>>>> To me that also adds to the picture of how they respect the past
> :)))) In Moscow it was the same. I don't judge Bernie too strict, he wasn't
> there at the time in question, and the years mentioned probably point on
> the time he first heard of respective LPs :))))))))))))))))) But Mick for
> sure was there and he ain't deaf - so why such sloppiness with dates? Hope
> you had a good show anyway.
> >>>>> Cheers, Igor
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Суббота, 28 февраля 2015, 23:51 -05:00 от Bob Winward <
> uriahheep at comcast.net >:
> >>>>>> There was no mention at show tonight of any former members. However
> >>>>>> Bernie did say Stealin was from 1974 and Mag BDay 1973. The only
> >>>>>> references to the past
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob Winward
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Don Malecic <  docofun at gmail.com >
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Igor,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm sure at the time there has been more unkind words said between
> >>>>>>> Ken and David. Of course the newer members of the band don't have
> >>>>>>> that personal connection to David and Gary, that's just human
> nature.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just because Mick isn't outspoken as much as you like him to be,
> you
> >>>>>>> can't say he doesn't have any inner feelings about his  previous
> >>>>>>> fellow band mates.
> >>>>>>> Just remember when the band was going down the wrong road with
> their
> >>>>>>> pop music era , Mick was the peace keeper in the band and always
> had been.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If Mick really wanted to, he could have blown  Heep all to hell and
> >>>>>>> left and I'm sure Bolder would have followed right behind him. Then
> >>>>>>> it really would have been the Mick Box band.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wish fellow Heepsters wouldn't refer Heep as Micks band.
> >>>>>>> Mick has always been a team player.
> >>>>>>> Without his vision none of us would be talking about the band or
> have
> >>>>>>> the opportunity to see them still playing. So everyone enjoy the
> >>>>>>> show! :)))) Igor, there on our side of the pond now lol!!
> >>>>>>> Don
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Igor Shveitser <
> zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Pete, I could add to that the fact: when they came to Moscow for
> the
> >>>>>>>> third time (it was 1998, during the World Cup in France), in an
> >>>>>>>> interview Mick and Bernie stated that they dedicate that song to
> >>>>>>>> David and Gary who are in rock'n'roll heaven. But that was ages
> ago,
> >>>>>>>> and since then I've been hearing a lot of kind words about his
> >>>>>>>> deceased colleagues from Ken (in his both live speeches and
> diaries)
> >>>>>>>> while Mick and the associates, no matter what the occasion is,
> seem
> >>>>>>>> to be more focused on the current events and never (correct me if
> >>>>>>>> I'm wrong) ever mentioned anything about David's or Gary's
> birthdays
> >>>>>>>> or vital input into what still feeds these musicians well
> >>>>>>>> :)))) And mentioning Ken seems to be a taboo at all - if not only
> in
> >>>>>>>> the negative way (this for instance did Mr.Bolder on one of the
> CLR
> >>>>>>>> video
> >>>>>>>> releases) or hastily. By the way, that ignorance regarding those
> who
> >>>>>>>> made it all, turned a lot of old Heep fans into people who don't
> >>>>>>>> care about Mick's band at all no matter how good is his and Phil's
> >>>>>>>> music. A lot of people feel offended by such behaviour. As for
> me, I
> >>>>>>>> feel not entirely the same, I understand they have their reasons,
> >>>>>>>> and still it would be way better - and for the band's image as
> well
> >>>>>>>> - to give credit where it should be given. And to remember old
> great
> >>>>>>>> friends by mentioning their name more often.
> >>>>>>>> Cheers, Igor
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Igor Shveytser
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