[Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory

Bob Winward uriahheep at comcast.net
Mon Mar 2 08:30:22 EST 2015 

I think Dale is saying it is now 2015

Bob Winward

> On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dale,
> Is there a particular problem with the subject? I hope no one felt offended anyway, I just notice that sometimes justice must be done that's why I might sound a bit unconventional to a Heep lover who thinks he knows for sure who is who, who are "the bad guys", and who are the "good" ones. But yes, music, especially classic, is way more valuable than that.
> Cheers, Igor
> 
> 
> Воскресенье, 01 марта 2015, 19:12 -08:00 от Dale Fredericks <dalhel at sbcglobal.net>:
>> Why can't we all just listen to the music and not argue about who hated who and whether they continously talk about past members ??
>> So many more pleasant things to talk about where Heep is involved.
>> 
>> Dale
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 4:17 AM, Igor Shveitser < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pete,
>>> I didn't say he "should always be on about... etc." First of all, speaking of classic Heep, Trevor was never a part of it so he doesn't belong to that list. Then, secondly, I think, when you play other people's songs you might praise them as often as possible because it is a) just nice and shows your respect b) kind of makes you bigger in the eyes of the most  devoted fans who really care for the past. And if not for the past, this band would've never make it not only into the year 2015, but even into the 80-s. That is plain and natural gratitude that should be expressed. Especially to Ken and David, regardless of who and when acted like an arsehole :))) And I hope you understand, Pete, that in all decisions regarding personnel taken by the band there is a collective approach and, respectively, responsibility, not an individual one.
>>> Cheers, Igor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Воскресенье, 01 марта 2015, 12:00 UTC от "Pete Wharton" < heeplistpete at ntlworld.com >:
>>>> Sorry Igor, I really don't understand why you think Mick should always be on about David & Gary and Trevor? I'm sure he knows dates and misses his mates, especially David. Sure Ken can mention them and say nice things, he's got a lot of time being an arsehole to make up on. You know Ken admitted at HV2K that John got fired because of drug usage - Ken's that is - and admitted to not being a nice person at the time?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Pete
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Heeplist [mailto:heeplist-bounces at travellersintime.com] On Behalf Of Igor Shveitser
>>>> Sent: 01 March 2015 11:09
>>>> To: Heepsters Mailing List \(Travellers in Time\)
>>>> Subject: Re: [Heeplist] David Byron and some people's memory
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>> To me that also adds to the picture of how they respect the past :)))) In Moscow it was the same. I don't judge Bernie too strict, he wasn't there at the time in question, and the years mentioned probably point on the time he first heard of respective LPs :))))))))))))))))) But Mick for sure was there and he ain't deaf - so why such sloppiness with dates? Hope you had a good show anyway.
>>>> Cheers, Igor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Суббота, 28 февраля 2015, 23:51 -05:00 от Bob Winward <  uriahheep at comcast.net >:
>>>>> There was no mention at show tonight of any former members. However 
>>>>> Bernie did say Stealin was from 1974 and Mag BDay 1973. The only 
>>>>> references to the past
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob Winward
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Don Malecic <  docofun at gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Igor,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm sure at the time there has been more unkind words said between 
>>>>>> Ken and David. Of course the newer members of the band don't have 
>>>>>> that personal connection to David and Gary, that's just human nature.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just because Mick isn't outspoken as much as you like him to be, you 
>>>>>> can't say he doesn't have any inner feelings about his  previous 
>>>>>> fellow band mates.
>>>>>> Just remember when the band was going down the wrong road with their 
>>>>>> pop music era , Mick was the peace keeper in the band and always had been.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If Mick really wanted to, he could have blown  Heep all to hell and 
>>>>>> left and I'm sure Bolder would have followed right behind him. Then 
>>>>>> it really would have been the Mick Box band.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wish fellow Heepsters wouldn't refer Heep as Micks band.
>>>>>> Mick has always been a team player.
>>>>>> Without his vision none of us would be talking about the band or have 
>>>>>> the opportunity to see them still playing. So everyone enjoy the 
>>>>>> show! :)))) Igor, there on our side of the pond now lol!!
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Igor Shveitser <  zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pete, I could add to that the fact: when they came to Moscow for the 
>>>>>>> third time (it was 1998, during the World Cup in France), in an 
>>>>>>> interview Mick and Bernie stated that they dedicate that song to 
>>>>>>> David and Gary who are in rock'n'roll heaven. But that was ages ago, 
>>>>>>> and since then I've been hearing a lot of kind words about his 
>>>>>>> deceased colleagues from Ken (in his both live speeches and diaries) 
>>>>>>> while Mick and the associates, no matter what the occasion is, seem 
>>>>>>> to be more focused on the current events and never (correct me if 
>>>>>>> I'm wrong) ever mentioned anything about David's or Gary's birthdays 
>>>>>>> or vital input into what still feeds these musicians well
>>>>>>> :)))) And mentioning Ken seems to be a taboo at all - if not only in 
>>>>>>> the negative way (this for instance did Mr.Bolder on one of the CLR 
>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>> releases) or hastily. By the way, that ignorance regarding those who 
>>>>>>> made it all, turned a lot of old Heep fans into people who don't 
>>>>>>> care about Mick's band at all no matter how good is his and Phil's 
>>>>>>> music. A lot of people feel offended by such behaviour. As for me, I 
>>>>>>> feel not entirely the same, I understand they have their reasons, 
>>>>>>> and still it would be way better - and for the band's image as well 
>>>>>>> - to give credit where it should be given. And to remember old great 
>>>>>>> friends by mentioning their name more often.
>>>>>>> Cheers, Igor
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Igor Shveytser
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