[Heeplist] Outsider revisited

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Tue Nov 11 16:04:31 EST 2014 

YES getting ready for more coffee hahahahaha 

MADMAN 

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From: "Don Malecic" <docofun at gmail.com> 
To: "Igor Shveitser" <zlenko_iv at mail.ru>, "heeplist" <heeplist at travellersintime.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 2:05:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [Heeplist] Outsider revisited 

Hi Igor, 
Sorry I was just out chopping some wood for my wood stove :))) 
Ok I see where your going with your point. 
Guys, sorry and gals! 
Enjoying my coffee reading the list this morning! 
Great Theatre! :))) 
I wonder if MADMAN is enjoying his coffee! 
D 

On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Igor Shveitser <zlenko_iv at mail.ru> wrote: 

> Gentlemen, 
> It's not about "penned by Hensley" or not, it's more about "when" and 
> which musicians took part in the recording/performance. That's why Between 
> Two Worlds ( a good song indeed for 1998) hardly will make it to the 
> compilation of the very best of Heep/Heep-related and neither will do Ken's 
> songs of that time. Different era, different chemistry, much less original. 
> I will give you one example: BTW starts with keyboard intro which quite 
> reminds of something from... The Gods (!), and another great track from the 
> album, Shelter from... yes, the Rain (got one more song dedicated to that 
> weather condition!!!!) :)))) suspiciously reminds of smth made by Wishbone 
> Ash plus ... Weep In Silence. I hope, you got my point. 
> Cheers, Igor 
> 
> 
> Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:27:07 -0800 от Don Malecic <docofun at gmail.com 
> <javascript:;>>: 
> >I agree with you Bob, Heep has written a lot of great music without the 
> pen 
> >of Hensley , 
> >From SOL to Outsider. 
> >Yes all Heep is good Heep, I won't dare mention the C word! :))) 
> >Yes and all box is good Box works for me as well . 
> >D 
> > 
> >On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Bob Winward < uriahheep at comcast.net 
> <javascript:;> > wrote: 
> > 
> >> You can say what ever you want 
> >> It still says Uriah Heep on the Outsider and not one of them is a cover. 
> >> Even in 1972, it was not the same Heep that started in 1970. They had 
> their 
> >> 3rd bass player and 5th? Drummer by then. By 1977 they only had 2 
> original 
> >> members. Mick does have legal rights to the name, the band has evolved 
> and 
> >> they continually put out new music. Some of this new music is as good 
> as 
> >> the old stuff. Between 2 Worlds is one of Heep’s geates songs that 
> Hensley 
> >> did not pen. Shaw and Lanzon will have 30 years in the band after next 
> >> year. 
> >> 
> >> Since they continue to put out new music, we can celebrate what was, but 
> >> embrace what is! 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 11/10/14 12:33 PM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru 
> <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> > Bob, 
> >> > I respect any opinion, but see it myself from quite a different 
> angle: 
> >> Phil 
> >> > Lanzon, Bernie Shaw, Russel Gilbrook, Davey Rimmer plus Mick Box 
> mostly 
> >> play 
> >> > the songs, initially written and performed live by Hensley, Byron, Box 
> >> etc.. - 
> >> > I intentionally, on purpose, name the former band members in the 
> order of 
> >> > their contribution to the music of classic Heep. The only similarity 
> >> between 
> >> > the bands is the name plus the figure of lead guitarist, who is, of 
> >> course, 
> >> > still great and perhaps even better than ever... but we all know it 
> ain't 
> >> > enough to even come close to "that" Heep from all points of view. And 
> I 
> >> > wouldn't compare the two: this band, as I stated many times before, 
> has 
> >> its 
> >> > own unique style; it shines, regarding studio work, on the modern rock 
> >> skies 
> >> > no worse than the legend did in the 70-s. But when it comes to live 
> >> concerts, 
> >> > modern Heep, - perhaps, not intentionally but still it's a fact - 
> >> competes 
> >> > with that band playing live the likes of Gypsy, July Morning etc. and, 
> >> in my 
> >> > eyes loses in almost every way. Having Lee and Trevor it was a bit 
> >> different 
> >> > 'cause they knew better how to play Heep music properly. Having Mr. 
> >> Lawton on 
> >> > stage made it even better - John is the singer, I tell ya' :))) Having 
> >> said 
> >> > that, I still enjoy the Outsider and would love to see it played live 
> in 
> >> all 
> >> > it entirety while most of the classics should be left out for they 
> truly 
> >> do 
> >> > not belong to this band and in their "reading" the songs are nothing 
> but 
> >> > covers really. 
> >> > Cheers, Igor 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:07:12 -0500 от Bob Winward < 
> uriahheep at comcast.net <javascript:;> 
> >> <javascript:;>>: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> I do not agree, a cover band, covers the material of others. Uriah 
> Heep 
> >> >> continues to produce fresh new vibrant music!! They may not sound as 
> >> great 
> >> >> as 70's Heep but they have evolved and from what I see, Outsider is 
> >> highly 
> >> >> enjoyed and accepted by most fans. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> In contrast, you could take Styx, an oldies cover band who plays old 
> >> songs. 
> >> >> Their last cd was a cd of covers right? No new music. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Bob "All Heep is good Heep" Winward 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On 11/10/14 7:51 AM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru 
> <javascript:;> <javascript:;> 
> >> >> < /compose?To=zlenko_iv at mail.ru <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> > 
> wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >>> > With him they finally turned into what Heep became ages 
> >> >>> > ago - a very professional cover band with one original member. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> 
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