[Heeplist] Fwd: Re[4]: Outsider revisited

Tue Nov 11 10:23:41 EST 2014

 Bob,
I agree with all you said except for one thing: I go to live shows but can't help feeling the way I feel. Plus, one important addition to my words about the attitude: I have two copies of the Outsider, CD and vinyl. I believe that says it all about my attitude towards them and "some degree". :)))
Cheers, Igor

Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:05:41 -0500 от Bob Winward <uriahheep at comcast.net>:
>Yes, you have clarified your opinion.  That said, I think we all agree on the following points:
>*  Outsider is a  cd and just about all of us enjoy to some degree
>*  The band that recorded Outsider has a high level of talent
>*  Heep had a different sound in the 70’s, much different personnel and an incredible magic
>*  Most of us prefer the way Uriah Heep sounded in early 70’s with Ken in prime and David Byron singing
>*  Some have passed away (RIP) and some have moved on
>*  The only common thread since the beginning of any band named Uriah Heep is the guitarist
>*  Because they use the name Uriah Heep, they have to play material from their most famous era 1970-1973 to pacify fans unaware of the new music
>
>They are in a tough position, they play the old songs and they play new songs.  So they could not go by a different name such as Uriah Heep revisited or Bands That Go Heep In The Night!  :-)
>
>So I have a suggestion:  If you like the new Uriah Heep style music, buy it.  If you do not like the way the band plays songs such as July Morning, Gypsy etc do not go to the live shows or listen to any live recordings by a band called Uriah Heep in 2014
>
>Bob WinwardWorld
>
>
>On 11/11/14 9:12 AM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>
>>It seems you haven't read properly or understood, what I had written before, if you come to such conclusions, Bob. I never said anything like that. Once again, my point of view, summarized: Uriah Heep was then, Mick Box is very good, some of their songs are solid rock numbers of today, I even love some of them and would love to see more live, but I don't like them play classic Heep (at least, most of the Byron era), and when they do those, they turn into cover band. Now, I hope, we have it clarified.
>>Cheers, Igor
>>
>>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 08:56:46 -0500 от Bob Winward < uriahheep at comcast.net >:
>>>
>>> 
>>>I thought you were the one comparing and saying they  are no good anymore
>>>It just feels like you keep chopping the same wood and yelling Heep sucks,
>>>Heep sucks (Mick Box's Heep that is)  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>On 11/11/14 8:40 AM, "Igor Shveitser" < zlenko_iv at mail.ru < /compose?To=zlenko_iv at mail.ru > > wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Bob,
>>>I don't want to be rude, but we have quite a rude saying here, in
>>>> Russia, which goes like this: "There's a word "dick" written on your
>>>> wood-shed, still inside you have only fire-wood". :))))))))))))) Legal rights
>>>> have nothing to do, - as we all know, -  with way more thin things like
>>>> chemistry, energy, etc. And, if I were you, I wouldn't go into all that
>>>> historical details and comparisons. 30 years - who cares? Classic Heep spent
>>>> together only 6 and a half - but made almost all that is real Heep to me and
>>>> most of us. Music is all that matters, and this band has little if anything in
>>>> common with the classic Heep. Still I like the Outsider, but wouldn't go into
>>>> comparisons with Heep.
>>>Cheers, Igor
>>>
>>>
>>>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:44 -0500 от Bob
>>>> Winward < uriahheep at comcast.net < /compose?To=uriahheep at comcast.net > >:
>>>>You can say what ever you want
>>>>It still
>>>> says Uriah Heep on the Outsider and not one of them is a cover.
>>>>Even in 1972,
>>>> it was not the same Heep that started in 1970. They had their
>>>>3rd bass player
>>>> and 5th? Drummer by then.  By 1977 they only had 2 original
>>>>members.  Mick
>>>> does have legal rights to the name, the band has evolved and
>>>>they continually
>>>> put out new music.  Some of this new music is as good as
>>>>the old stuff.
>>>> Between 2 Worlds is one of Heep’s geates songs that Hensley
>>>>did not pen.
>>>> Shaw and Lanzon will have 30 years in the band after next
>>>>year.
>>>>
>>>>Since they
>>>> continue to put out new music, we can celebrate what was, but
>>>>embrace what
>>>> is!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 11/10/14 12:33 PM, "Igor Shveitser" <  zlenko_iv at mail.ru < /compose?To=zlenko_iv at mail.ru >  >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>> I respect any opinion, but see it myself  from quite a
>>>> different angle: Phil
>>>>> Lanzon, Bernie Shaw, Russel Gilbrook, Davey Rimmer
>>>> plus Mick Box mostly play
>>>>> the songs, initially written and performed live
>>>> by Hensley, Byron, Box etc.. -
>>>>> I intentionally, on purpose, name the former
>>>> band members in the order of
>>>>> their contribution to the music of classic
>>>> Heep. The only similarity between
>>>>> the bands is the name plus the figure of
>>>> lead guitarist, who is, of course,
>>>>> still great and perhaps even better than
>>>> ever... but we all know it ain't
>>>>> enough to even come close to "that" Heep
>>>> from all points of view. And I
>>>>> wouldn't compare the two: this band, as I
>>>> stated many times before, has its
>>>>> own unique style; it shines, regarding
>>>> studio work, on the modern rock skies
>>>>> no worse than the legend did in the
>>>> 70-s.  But when it comes to live concerts,
>>>>> modern Heep, - perhaps, not
>>>> intentionally but still it's a fact - competes
>>>>> with that band playing live
>>>> the likes of Gypsy, July Morning etc. and, in my
>>>>> eyes loses in almost every
>>>> way. Having Lee and Trevor it was a bit different
>>>>> 'cause they knew better
>>>> how to play Heep music properly. Having Mr. Lawton on
>>>>> stage made it even
>>>> better - John is the singer, I tell ya' :))) Having said
>>>>> that, I still
>>>> enjoy the Outsider and would love to see it played live in all
>>>>> it entirety
>>>> while most of the classics should be left out for they truly do
>>>>> not belong
>>>> to this band and in their "reading" the songs are nothing but
>>>>> covers
>>>> really.
>>>>> Cheers, Igor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:07:12 -0500 от Bob
>>>> Winward <  uriahheep at comcast.net < /compose?To=uriahheep at comcast.net >  >:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not agree, a cover band,
>>>> covers the material of others.  Uriah Heep
>>>>>> continues to produce fresh new
>>>> vibrant music!!  They may not sound as great
>>>>>> as 70's Heep but they have
>>>> evolved and from what I see, Outsider is highly
>>>>>> enjoyed and accepted by
>>>> most fans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In contrast, you could take Styx, an oldies cover band who
>>>> plays old songs.
>>>>>> Their last cd was a cd of covers right?  No new
>>>> music.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob "All Heep is good Heep" Winward
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On
>>>> 11/10/14 7:51 AM, "Igor Shveitser" <  zlenko_iv at mail.ru < /compose?To=zlenko_iv at mail.ru > 
>>>>>> <
>>>>  /compose?To=zlenko_iv at mail.ru < /compose?To=%2fcompose%3fTo%3dzlenko_iv at mail.ru >  > > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >   With him they finally
>>>> turned into what Heep became ages
>>>>>>> > ago - a very professional cover band
>>>> with one original member.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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