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Thu Nov 14 00:48:27 EST 2013

Igor,

Everything I know about Russia is from car video cameras. ;-)

Mac

At 04:52 PM 11/13/2013, you wrote:
>  I join Shawn on this one, Claudia. However, I 
> must admit censorship is not the so-called 
> "Communist" regimes prerogative, and people in 
> so-called "free" countries sometimes can't even 
> imagine how biased is the information given to 
> them by their respective mass media. And they 
> don't have to block anything since generally 
> the Western people hardly learn other languages 
> and are easily made believe about anything they 
> don't really care for. Like, for instance, 
> bears in the streets of Moscow, vodka being 
> drunken from samovars, the empire of evil, the 
> necessity of bringing "Western democracy" to 
> the rest of the world etc. No offence, just my 
> experience from communicating with the 
> English-speaking foreigners. Talking of China, 
> I think it is a rather hypocrythical country: 
> yes, they have the CPC at helm, but all their 
> policy is about building a highly industrial 
> capitalist empire which will be a real threat 
> for the civilization in the very near future 
> since the economical and technological 
> potential is high but the people are poor and 
> resources are few. And it is the rather poor 
> East, with its special mentality, the value of 
> human life there is much less than even in my 
> native country which, in relation to the 
> "civilized" world, hardly can boast the same 
> level of respect to any personality. Still, 
> while in Russia, Claudia wasn't harmed in any 
> way, while in China it is sadly much different. 
> Hope it all be sorted out and in the end you 
> will recall only the good about your Eastern 
> trip. Take care, Igor Ð¡Ñ€ÐµÐ´Ð°, 13 
> Ð½Ð¾ÑÐ±Ñ€Ñ 2013, 10:13 -06:00 Ð¾Ñ‚ Shawn 
> Mctopy 
> <shawn.mctopy at selu.edu>: >Claudia, > >Sad to 
> read about your misfortunes in *China*, 
> Claudia. > >A real sin and shame it 
> is! > >:( > >*China* may block and/or censor 
> web access, because the government in >*China* 
> believes *Western* influences *(like Rock 
> Music, etc. ...)* are a >corrupting factor to 
> their citizens *(?)*. > >Communist regimes have 
> a history of censoring information available 
> to >their citizens, as a type of control. This 
> is the reason I reckon that >*China* may block 
> web/internet access. > > >Please take care, and 
> be careful & cautious while on your world 
> traveling >excursions. > >Here's to hoping that 
> these misfortunes are over for you, and that 
> the rest >of your traveling adventures are 
> nice, safe, pleasant, and very 
> enjoyable! > >Once more, take care & best of 
> wishes to you, Claudia. > > > >*Shawn 
> (Louisiana) -* > > >On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 
> 6:36 AM, Richard Pascoe < r.pascoe at telia.com > 
> wrote: > >> >> Claudia - sad to hear your 
> dream-holiday is turning into your worst >> 
> nightmare.... >> >> Good Luck >> >> >> >> 
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> Im Auftrag >> von ClÃ¡udia LeÃ£o >> Gesendet: 
> den 13 november 2013 09:24 >> An: Heepsters 
> Mailing List (Travellers in Time) >> Betreff: 
> Re: [Heeplist] (no subject) >> >> >> 
> Rick, >> >> I can't ask all my family and 
> friends to join me on Weibo, I NEED to >> 
> connect to FB. I don't have a phone so the only 
> way I have to keep in >> touch with my 
> relatives is through it. And The Great Firewall 
> is also >> blocking access to my wordpress 
> blog. >> >> About the people I've mentioned 
> that never heard about the Beatles - >> they 
> were not teenagers, they were around my age, on 
> their 40s. >> >> I'm getting crazy here. After 
> 8 months traveling peacefully, in two days >> 
> in China I was already ripped off four times 
> (even in a convenience >> store) and yesterday 
> I was victim of a scam and I lost almost 
> 2000 >> dollars. When I asked for help to the 
> hotel's concierge to call the >> police he told 
> me that that would be a waste of time since I 
> can't PROVE >> what happened and I can't 
> identify the ladies who stole me. >> >> I've 
> been dreaming about visiting China since I 
> started practicing kung >> fu more than 10 
> years ago, I was expecting that this would be 
> the most >> wonderful part of my journey but 
> today I feel miserable. I've spent the >> 
> entire morning crying and I just don't wanna 
> leave the hotel room. >> Do you know how it is 
> to be 100% by yourself, without a connection 
> with >> relatives and friends, and having to 
> learn that you should not trust >> 
> people...? >> >> Best, >> >> Claudia >> >> >> 
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:12 PM, "Rick Wilson" < 
> futureprimitive1 at gmail.com > >> wrote: >> >> 
> " >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Thanks for these videos 
> Shawn!! Unfortunately here in China the 
> access >> to YouTube, Facebook, Google, Skype 
> is blocked...  (The Great >> Firewall!!) I'm 
> trying to set up a VPN to cheat this 
> prohibition and >> hopefully I'll be able to 
> watch them soon! Can you believe that 
> because >> of this stupid firewall the average 
> Chinese people have no idea how The >> BEATLES 
> or The ROLLING STONES look like?!? Yesterday I 
> went to a Karaoke >> house and they do have a 
> few Beatles' songs in their library, but >> 
> performed by chinese artists... Crazy!!! 
> Cheers! Claudia*" >> >> Excuse me, Claudia, but 
> I have a bit of a problem with 
> misinformation. >> I have lived in China for 
> nearly nine years now, and I use Google and >> 
> Skype daily without the use of a VPN 
> service.  China has their very own >> versions 
> of YOUTube and Facebook, so do not need the 
> xenophobic American >> 
> versions.  www.youku.com/ is the Chinese 
> version of YOUTube, and there >> are no songs 
> that are banned there, unlike in the 
> West.  www.weibo.com/ >> is the Chinese version 
> of Facebook, where any and every citizen of 
> China >> and the rest of the world are free to 
> post tweets, etc. any time they >> like with 
> some censorship or common sense (no nudity), 
> but with no >> flaming or banning because they 
> are Chinese unlike in the West.  Hell, >> it 
> took eight years for the guys here at the list 
> to actually accept >> that I was an American 
> living in China and not Chinese to accept me >> 
> here!  Yes, there are many cover versions of 
> songs in the karaoke clubs, >> usually Russian 
> or from Hong Kong, but any KTV, as the Chinese 
> call >> them, has a wide selection of Western 
> music to choose from.  I have >> sang, or tried 
> to sing many a "Uriah Heep" song as well as 
> tunes by >> "Metallica" and even "Slayer" (Much 
> to the chagrin and shock of my >> Chinese 
> students, I may add!  lol), all by the original 
> artists >> uncensored.  Ask anyone today who is 
> a teenager in Brazil, the U.S. or >> even in 
> the U.K. who the "Beatles" and "Stones" are or 
> what they look >> like, and YOU will get many a 
> strange stare, not just in China.  One of >> my 
> current students often wears a "Sgt. Pepper's 
> Lonely Heart's Club >> Band" t-shirt to class, 
> so I am quite certain that she knows who 
> they >> are and what they look like; and, most 
> any student of English can sing >> "Hey, 
> Jude!", "Yesterday" or "Let It Be".  Try to 
> remember that China >> has 1.6 billion people, 
> there is more of everything here, and one 
> cannot >> judge a country with a population so 
> large on the reactions of one or >> two people. 
> Lastly, I in no way wish to defend the Great 
> Chinese >> Firewall, but they only wish to weed 
> out sites that are harmful to the >> health of 
> their citizens.  Yes, that is censorship, and, 
> yes, that is >> not something that I would 
> condone, however, when I see television 
> shows >> like "Drugs, Inc.", and I see how 
> drugs are controlling the lives of >> thousands 
> of Americans, then perhaps a bit of 
> self-censorship on the >> part of our 
> government wouldn't hurt at all.  True freedom 
> is not being >> able to do anything that YOU 
> want anytime, but it is being able to have >> 
> the means to ensure that all of us can enjoy 
> life to the fullest aka the >> pursuit of 
> happiness.  Please, remember that before 
> spreading >> misinformation to others who have 
> no idea. Thank YOU, kindly! >> >> Rick >> 
> [?] >> >> >> 
> -- >>  http://about.me/rick.wilson >> 
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